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Offline NightLotus

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Lame new board title
« on: February 27, 2009, 10:57:34 am »
what do you think. I think its really dumb. Why take the fun and joking out of the forums?? Why impose rules and bans on people for being silly and random? Why censor and block right and left?

I think that the admins are being petty tyrants and like having power to much. They have power here, so they will use it (maybe because they don't have control over anything else and it makes them feel good?). They've put THEIR joy in tyrany over the joy of congoers who want a fun, silly, random forum. Now its are rules, seriousness, and anger. I loved these forums so much. I LOVE Kumoricon, but I can't stand these forums anymore. Everyone should just loosen up and understand that the forums should be this:


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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 11:01:48 am »
I think you are making way too much of these little changes. Nothing you used to do has been outlawed, just regulated. If you want anarchy you may need another forum, like Mustash's perhaps. These rules are for the benefit of all that use the forums. They were needed because things were getting out of hand, you can still chat and have fun. The title doesn't ruin your fun, come on, just chill out.


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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 11:03:32 am »
where is the benefit? so far i see no benefit in any of the moderations i've seen so far ;;>_>

i do probably need to chill out, but, i don't really want to.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 11:18:40 am »
The benefit is in the board's areas being more obvious in their focus. The problems have been rooted in the fact that people have been posting increasingly in the wrong areas, so it has become somewhat of a necessity to make the topic of every area very very obvious.

There are still chat threads. I don't understand why it is such a travesty to the lot of you when you aren't able to just post random keyboard diarrhea all over the forums. I don't get it, but from the perspective of a casual forum user, I see it as an effort to clean the forums up for everyone. Seems to make sense to me, and, like I said, if people want an unregulated forum, there are places like 4chan for that.


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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 11:25:14 am »
I like the people from these forums, and i love getting to know them. I hate having to wonder what i can and cant say. I can't share things that I think are funny, because its "inappropriate" and i have to pretend i like EVERYONE because saying "you kinda annoy me" is a personal attack now ;;>_>
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 11:57:13 am »
Personally, I like having a completely different forum for craziness and I'm kind of glad there's a separation.
For the people who prefer order and less random posts, they have this one. For the ones who prefer a forum where anything goes, they can join Stash's. That way everyone is happy and it suits the needs of every con goer. If we got our way and were able to continue posting randomly, we'd still have to watch ourselves because it's a family oriented forum.
So let's enjoy this new opportunity of freedom, shall we? ;P
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 12:16:04 pm »
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Personally, I like having a completely different forum for craziness and I'm kind of glad there's a separation.
For the people who prefer order and less random posts, they have this one. For the ones who prefer a forum where anything goes, they can join Stash's. That way everyone is happy and it suits the needs for every con goer. If we got our way and were able to continue posting randomly, we'd still have to watch ourselves because it's a family oriented forum.
So let's enjoy this new opportunity of freedom, shall we? ;P

Really, I think makichan is correct in this and hopefully everyone can be happy now.  But as stated this is an all ages forum and as such some content can not be allowed.  It is not the power trip you stated above.  It is really protecting the convention we all love.  If we had no filtering and got sued the con would be over.  I am sorry you disagree with the new rules, but at least you have a new place where you can post what ever it is you wish.  I hope you have fun there with the randomness and crazy that is there.  I really think that in the end that this will work out best for everyone. 

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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 12:33:59 pm »
These forums are not a place where everyone can just be themselves and do whatever they want.  There are sites out there made for social networking between anime fans.  There is aftercon.com and animevice.com.  Both want the social networking and lots of posting.  Over at those sites people get paid to watch over things and make sure they don't get out of control.

Many of the cons I go to shut down the non-staff forums mid-year due to being too much work and bother. 

Also, potential guests and companies I have spoken to have said specifically that they check out our forums to see if they want to do bussiness with us. 

This is not power tripping, this is us trying to make sure the forums are in line with how they should be.  Also, this is in hopes that maybe overseeing the forums will be less constant work.  I am not formally a mod, but since it affects my directorship, I do troll the forums alot and report stuff directly to Jeff. 

I know some people started being very active here within this last year and have started to think of this place as their online home and therefore get to make the rules and set the tone, but, that is not the case.  The people who set the rules are the people elected by membership and the staffers they appoint.  Not the people with the highest post count or the most time online. 
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 12:59:24 pm »
a key point we are a family con and that does limit what we can do and say if nothing else

tho I admit a little happier tital would be nice
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 03:18:07 pm »
Also, not to belabor the point too much, but ...

When we were down in Eugene Con Chair Mike had to deal with an upset parent who wanted to bring their kid to Kcon this year, but, after having looking at our forums didn't think the con would be an appropriate environment.  I only arrived at the end, when he was explaining that the forums of any con don't really represent what the con is like. 

We can allow more variety of expression at con by having areas with higher age ratings.  So, the boards also fail to represent the adult content we do have at con. 

Some people put alot of work into making the forums positive, helpfull and friendly.  Last year I spent on average 5 hours a week looking for questions to answer and concerns to address.  I do that less this year, but I still try when I have time :)
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2009, 03:25:26 pm »
Dude- it's ONLY a different name...

Get over it. Its not like they went on and deleted the whole thing.0.0

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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 04:49:14 pm »
Why impose rules and bans on people for being silly and random?

We never ban people for those reasons. I cannot publicly discuss the reason for any particular ban, but they have all been due to clear-cut rule-breaking, and not borderline cases.

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Why censor and block right and left?

Technically censorship only refers to government actions. But, if you are asking, why do we block some content? Largely, to make sure that people can have productive conversations on this forum.

A forum that strictly disallows only illegal actions will therefore allow: Personal attacks, overt racism, borderline harassment and embarrassment of individuals, and also creates a culture that encourages users to post illegal content to see how long it will last before it is removed.

If restricting this is "censorship", then bring on the censorship. Very, very few Internet forums restrict only what is strictly illegal.

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I think that the admins are being petty tyrants and like having power to much. They have power here, so they will use it (maybe because they don't have control over anything else and it makes them feel good?). They've put THEIR joy in tyrany over the joy of congoers who want a fun, silly, random forum. Now its are rules, seriousness, and anger.

This is a rather silly accusation. Our job is to run an anime convention, not create a free-for-all discussion forum. Addressing moderation issues has taken up a growing amount of our time, which distracts from the other jobs we have to do for the convention (all of the moderators also have other staff positions). Over the last several months I have performed a remarkably low number of restrictive actions, such as thread-locking, post removal, and bans (not counting the changes yesterday in which I locked many threads). If anything, I suspect other staff would say that overall I am too lenient. The changes to this forum were a result of complaints over time, increased drama, and the wall that was growing between this forum area and the rest of the forum areas.

Very little has changed. Basically, the name and description of the forum were changed to emphasize that all the rules still apply, and you are not allowed to start chat threads unless they are dedicated to a topic. Take note that I have allowed to stand (as of this writing) all the long-standing chat threads which are devoted to a topic. I'm sorry if your primary enjoyment of the forums is not all the discussion that goes on, but just this flood of chat threads, but I don't believe that represents the view of the vast majority of the forum members.

I remain a big fan of keeping our forums going, year-round. I don't want this to ever become a convention that shuts down its forums for long breaks, like Dawn pointed out many cons do. Changes like this are not in the works. On the contrary, yesterday's changes to the rules are keeping the forum going strong.

As for the title "off-topic": No negative connotation was intended. Many Internet forums have an "off-topic" area where users who initially knew each other from discussion of the primary subject would like to meet to discuss just about anything, and it's often called "off-topic". But, I will consider other names that describe it equally well. I was never comfortable with the "Spam" title because (1) It's simply wrong. "Spam" is unsolicited, bulk messages, and that's not what this forum ever was, and (2) Since we actually disallow true spam everywhere, it contributed to the perception that the rules were different in this forum area.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2009, 05:18:23 pm »
Because of these small changes, I have seen a number of people leave.
If all of the nice people I have met on here leave, then there's not really a reason for me to stay, either.

I'm not saying that the mods and admins should have control over these things. I'm just stating a fact.

Unfortunately, we can't please 100% of people. I think some people would become discouraged over the forums and leave, or not join, over time if I had not made some changes to fix its course. As Dawn pointed out, the content of the forums may have already prevented somebody from registering for the convention. A general guideline is that for every person who goes to the effort to complain, there are several others who have the same complaint, but don't bother to say anything.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2009, 05:26:24 pm »
When I suggested the board title "Tom Zombie Smash Memorial Super-Mega Fun Kawaii Hearts Neko Hello Board!" here a year an a half ago, it was a wild and atrocious concept that was deeply rooted in the fact that the people who frequented the boards at the time were mature, rational, and respectful of one another.  Such a wild board title is necessarily trust-based--with a title like that, users need to be able to self-moderate, which hasn't been happening.  In all fairness though, self-moderation would be an unrealistic expectation.  Look at twenty other forums and check what their Random, Off-Topic, etc boards are called.  The name change is fully intended to construe an important message to users that it is necessary to be civilized, responsible posters.  

If you think we're being tight on rules, you should check out some other forums that don't have "chan" in their name.  We're being very open and very human about how we present changes and solve problems.  Additionally, I think you ought to reconsider why we have chosen to pursue these positions.  All of the moderators and administrators are very deeply rooted in our commitments to Kumoricon, Altonimbus, and this online community.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 05:39:01 pm »
Just stating a fact most *chans have a rules, while looser than most they are not entirely chaotic. Such as on the work safe boards, (yes there are work safe boards on chans, the language may not be SFW but the content is), posting any sort of pornography or illegal content will result in a ban. You can also email the mod team if one troll keeps persisting.

Also there are more to the chans than /b/.

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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2009, 05:42:07 pm »
I really dont want to be a downer here but many of the fourms I am on other than Kumoricon are strictly to the subject of what they represent. Example: Video game sites only allow gammer topics. For us that would mean if its not related to Kumoricon or Anime or Japaneese culture it would be removed on site. We CHOOSE to allow a lot more sillyness than many other specific forums do. Yes there are many Chan sites that have no rules compleatly, but this really isnt the place for that. This is a place for people who enjoy our convention and what we do. Yes, make friends, Yes, have fun. But understand that it is because the rules were so lax that we were having so many issues. Just watch, give it some time and it will seem like the same old place again.

We are not a tiny convention any more. We are growing at a crazy pace! We are a professional convention which means that more and more people will be viewing our boards and assessing us on what they find there. We really arent making too many changes so please dont think so.

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2009, 06:27:18 pm »
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2009, 08:04:47 pm »
"The time of my life!" :p Couldn't resist, yo. :/ At first, I was with Dana on this, but I do see the point.

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2009, 10:36:03 am »
lol i was being a bit PMS when i made this thread *sweatdrop*

i think maybe i'm just a little bored of these forums. I love all the people i've met here, they are awesome! I guess i just want a place to talk to everyone here with no limitations. The kumorcon forums do have there place, and they are NOWHERE near as bad as i was making them out to be!

thanks for putting up with my BS for a bit  ^^;;;

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2009, 10:59:02 am »
Aw, it happens to everyone, Lotus. :p I think I know where you're coming from, though.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2009, 11:21:39 am »
as a mod, I am a little hurt by these comments but putting my feelings aside, I think that we might come to a better compromise.  A suggestion for the "spam" section would be ... *thinks* ....

Silly Threads (but not chat) or something like that.

If you are upset with the changes, address each complaint and offer an alternative. If you cant offer an alternative, then don't complain. and lotus, I know your upset because of the ban on your boyfriend but when people refuse to follow the rules and continue to flaunt their disrespect of the rules, there ARE consequences.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2009, 11:25:27 am »
And this is why our forums are strong!  No flames, just everyone hashing out why they have the opinions they do.  The end result is that everyone got to have a say and we all understand how it works.

I'd have to admit that it was sadly surprising to get called out on the carpet by the mom at the Eugene Festival for things that were going on in the forums.  But that is kinda the internet in a nutshell.  She only saw some of the worst stuff that was happening and painted all of us with that brush.  By the end of the conversation I think I had it turned around.  She won't be at the con more than one day this year, but once she has seen how the con REALLY is I suspect that will change. 

I'm really bummed that work is taking me away from the convention, but I will strive to make sure I do everything that I can even if I'm 8000 mi. away.

This is the BEST anime convention and I'm going to miss seeing and working with everyone.

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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2009, 04:49:28 pm »
I'd kind of like to know why the What are you reading thread got locked. I was going to post a book I am currently reading, as it is sci-fi written by a guy with a phD, several actually. He is a genuine rocket scientist, works for NASA off and on, kind. Anyway, he knows anime, and this book has MECHA in it! I wanted to give a shout out in that thread, but couldn't.

I wonder if this is more or less an annual event, a lot of poeple go away in winter, and don't seem to come back.
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2009, 05:59:02 pm »
"The time of my life!" :p Couldn't resist, yo. :/ At first, I was with Dana on this, but I do see the point.

I never said anything was bad about these forums. I understand now that the staff are being reasonable with their actions, and I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2009, 06:57:37 pm »
what do you think. I think its really dumb. Why take the fun and joking out of the forums?? Why impose rules and bans on people for being silly and random? Why censor and block right and left?

As multiple others have said, the forum mods make their decisions based on the greater good, and what is legitmate vs unacceptable.  There is still plenty of fun, silliness, joking, and randomness to be had.  People just need to respect certain rules that are set in place, and when you choose to blatantly violate those rules is when things tighten up a bit.  If you don't like it, help make it a better place.  If you complain and do nothing, then that's your own problem.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2009, 07:12:43 pm »
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I'd kind of like to know why the What are you reading thread got locked. I was going to post a book I am currently reading, as it is sci-fi written by a guy with a phD, several actually. He is a genuine rocket scientist, works for NASA off and on, kind. Anyway, he knows anime, and this book has MECHA in it! I wanted to give a shout out in that thread, but couldn't.

I wonder if this is more or less an annual event, a lot of poeple go away in winter, and don't seem to come back.

Most threads that havent seen activity in a LONG time get locked. Just cause there is no interest in the topic. But you are always welcome to Re-start a new "What are you reading?" thread.

Like you mentioned its kinda the dead time for the forums. Right after and right before the con is the high traffic time.

Im a reader too, maybe not allways SciFi but I would probably post in the thread.

I guess a really good example is Tomthefanboy's "Daily Web Comic" thread. He updates it so often it will never be locked due to inactivity.

Thats really the only reason to lock a thread (inactivity) unless there is something bad to be taken care of.

That is a GREAT question though! Thank you so much for posting it!

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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2009, 07:31:16 pm »
I'd kind of like to know why the What are you reading thread got locked.

Every so often we lock threads older than 4 months old (older than 6 months in some of the less active forums). If it is not that old, I can look into it, if you send me a link.
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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2009, 07:38:57 pm »
http://www.kumoricon.org/forums/index.php?topic=6296.60

It was 08 AUG 08, last post.

One of those threads that get lost as it isn't done very often, and gets lots of SPAM on top, then buried.
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2009, 07:50:12 pm »
I've unlocked it, you can post in it now. ^_^

People can contact a moderator if they'd like to continue an old thread which has just been locked due to being old, if it makes sense to use the same thread rather than start it again. Posting in it again will "reset" the counter.
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Re: Lame new board title
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2009, 07:55:15 pm »
Thanks, do you think we ought to put the What Are You Watching? thread in the General Convention Anime forum? It mostly has pertinent stuff, but has gotten a bit spammy lately. I try to always write down what anime I have watched, and what I feel about it.

It really doesn't matter to me one way or another. I am going to post in it wherever it is, in case someone wants to talk about something I've seen.
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