Are freshmen getting more immature?

[nikkiolie]

I posted this on my DA and I wanted to post it here. It could be due to the fact that people don't know that they are doing this. Also I am talking about college freshmen...though I can see how it would apply with high school freshmen too.
So at the end of my fourth week I find myself asking this question a lot. At first I thought it was just a faze that they would work themselves though around week 2 or so but it doesn't look like it will change. I also seem to notice some thing outside of just my floor that didn't happen before. So lets start off with the basics.

Lets just start with the people in my wig. We have rules for a reason, to make sure everyone gets along. One of the rules is a thing we like to call "quite hours". Quite hours are basically be quiet from 10pm to 10 am the next day so people can sleep. Simple right? Doesn't seem so simple for these freshmen. I think they have it around backwards, I think they think that quite hours is 10am to 10pm and around 11pm they all come out of their rooms and talk in the halls. I know that as a freshman they aren't taking hard classes but some of us are in their last year and would like to get a 3.1 to a 3.5. I'm not horrible worried, after all it is estimated that about half the people drop out of collage within their first year.

Another issue that bothers me, however this one isn't just with freshmen just rude people in general. Why for the love of god can't people close the damn door quietly? Why must you slam the door?

The next issue, and I am also not sure if this is freshmen or not, is people not pushing their damn chairs in while at the cafeteria. The reason I believe it is freshmen is because of the triplex I live in has the freshmen dorm and it also never happened the other three years I have been here. These chairs are pushed out so far leaving no room to walk through half the narrow walk ways. I also noticed this in class. People would sit so far back that you couldn't move around behind them. Funny thing is that it is in my 100 level class. In all the upper division classes this never happens.

The final thing, and this is what makes them seem the most immature, is that they have a bird call. I mean really? WTF?! A bird call?! They knock on each others door and then give this call. Not sure why, it is just dumb. It not like our doors don't have peep holes. It's not like we can't tell who is there just by looking.

Some of them are great. Some really respect others and are quite nice, but it seems like the large majority of them are really immature. I am wondering if it is because people aren't learning manners anymore or is it because I am more mature then I used to be? Has anyone else noticed this?

[~boogiepop~]

I remember that's how it was when I was in high school. I felt that everyone after my year became EXTREMELY IMMATURE AND RUDE (I know there are some who aren't, I'm not trying to upset you younger folk). When I was in High School, I looked up to the older people and was respectful because they were my elders, and many other kids thought that way too. When I was a senior I had freshman picking fights with me (I'm a total ass so that's not the best idea. One ended with a kid who had a face-full of cafeteria apple sauce.) I just can't fathom doing that to people who are twice your height and know their way around the school more and such.

I can't really comment on the college thing though because my school is super chill and the freshman at my school are varied in age since it's ridiculously expensive. The average is a bit older then most colleges so they've all gotten over that "I'm rude as all hell" stage.

Our school apartments did suck though, we had quiet hours too but the people who lived about us would blast their bass and run around at 3 in the morning. We decided they were playing "naked tag". Parties in the middle of the week to. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking. I'm so glad I moved out of there.

Yeah, people are getting more immature though, I completely agree with you. I blame TV and parents. We should go back to the good old days when everyone sat around the fire and played with Lincoln Logs.

On another note, freshman also seem to be getting shorter as well.

[nikkiolie]

My sister was like this too and she still is. It seems like she doesn't even realize that other people are trying to sleep or that there are even other people in this world other than her. Its just aggravating.

[Konan-ChanX3]

I see this as a growing problem as well, at least with the freshman here at the high school, most of them are immature and stand around in the halls during passing, at least half of them have the decency to move when I yell at them to. I see that each year after mine has begun to use chat speak in real chatting, most common I've heard is the use of 'lol, idk, w/e, brb, etc.' Granted I use 'IDK' but that's only when I'm being sarcastic to my mom, or friends, even then it's rare. The freshman this year have grown violent, I've seen at least 20 fights in these last six weeks than in past years. I would have thought that after high school, they'd have more maturity, at least have the right mind to keep quiet during quiet hours. I myself find it highly annoying when in the middle of class they start calling. Specially when I'm trying desperatly to raise my GPA so I CAN go to college next year. [super senior is not fun]

[oslapedo]

I think it's all a matter of perspective. In a few years these freshmen will likely be complaining about the new freshmen, and so on. Plus, in HS and College new freedoms are gained and it takes a while for some people to utilize them responsibly.

If freshies are loud in your dorms just talk to them or mention it to an RA or something. =)

[Sayda]

Unfortunately, the younger generation is slowly becoming less intelligent. I've noticed this as well, and have been aware of it since I first entered high school. Kids in elementary school are having sex, skipping class, and trying drugs. They also have cell phones, which distracts them from learning. Personally, I think the most important part of school is elementary school, where you learn your manners. This is also partly their parents fault. Dropping them off at a babysitter while they go to work is understandable, because they have to make money somehow, but then after work, and the babysitter, parents let the television teach their children. Electronics are also what kids play with these days, and it seems like after 1993 - 1994, kids stopped playing outside like we use to when we were young. So the lack of exercise can also be a factor, since exercising releases endorphines, and makes you a happier person. They didn't grow up with exercise, so I suppose this could account to their rudeness. Nichole I know you're older then I am, and are probably talking about the generation a year younger then I am; I really have no excuse to give you for their behavior. Some people are just generally stupid, and unware of their surroundings and other people. ~~;

Just my two cense.

[DemonSpawn]

It happens in college too? D: Craaap.


I thought since seniors in high school are more mature than freshman in high school, they'd stay that way since college is serious business (for me anyway).

Sayda's right about the 'lack of intelligence' in younger generations though, and a lot of it probably has to do with parents who don't care enough and let shiny toys like t.v. and phones educate their kids.

It's going to keep getting worse, sad but true, our society is getting dumber.

[soundninja12]

Enter Soundy, a Freshman at Bend Senior High, year of 2013.

I have never felt so friggen disrespected in my life.
I am a freshman too, and it isn't just upper classman they've lost respect for. It's other freshman, even teachers.
My generation has gained options that the generations before us didn't have, but we are losing the respect that you all used to have.
I hold the door for about 7 out of a 10 minute passing period, and I've never heard a "thank you", and I have been knocked over, and they didn't even apologize.

The school I went to before this high school, taught children to be respectful, friendly, and always have appreciation for everything around you, because in a split second, it could all go downhill. They taught us this by sending us on 3 day field trips, back packing journeys, and days out spending time with our local rivers.

At my school, if you tripped, at least 4 people would reach to help you up, but the closest thing to that I've gotten this year is "Let the girl go first, ass hole"

I want my generation to be the smartest yet, I want us to surpass every other, because that's the way it's supposed to be.
"I stand on the shoulders of giants" Well, those giants grow yearly, but my generation is losing sight of that.

Respect, Kindness, Manners, those are lacking. Without those, you are never going to go anywhere.

The best I can do is stick to being myself, and respecting everyone else, and hoping it'll rub off...

[TomtheFanboy]

This is... uh... this is nothing new. Us old folks call it....

PERSPECTIVE.

[oslapedo]

^ Wat.

I think it's all a matter of perspective.

[Animeman73]

Now no one tke this the wrong way or anything. But in my personal opinion the fault lay squarely on the shoulders of parents. Kids are starting to become meaner, nastier, and more violent. But that can be abated when parents take responsibility for their children. My mother a Scot/Irish redhead never took any sort of (Cough, cough, ahem) nonsense from my brother and I.A good way to give kids a firm foundation is to exercise together and have a family game night.

The biggest problem I've noted with Freshman in High School and College is well in High School Kids are at that age where they're under the misguided conception that they know everything. Again it's up to the parents to give their kids that goo foundation. The mantra here is RESPONSIBILITY! And with a lot of major colleges I've noticed a lot of (but not all) of the students who go there were told to by their parents instead of wanting to go there. That's why I loved going to Mt. Hood Community College everybody who went there WANTED to be there.

And you know what it's not too late for us to change my friends. We'rte never too old to change this world. e do our best in college and when we have children of our own we give them a firm and solid foundation to go by. Again it boils down to responsinbility. Heck at my Taekwondo school I and several black belts have noticed parents who drop off their out of control kids thinking we can fix them up. The problem here is Taekwondo is aboout families workking together, Taekwondo can do it's part but then the parents have to put in their fair share of the nine yards.  Well that's enough of this 30 something standing on his soapbox what do the rest of you think?

[TanisNikana]

I think my post got deleted cause I said "buttocks".

Anyway, what I was hoping to say before it was deleted is that I am immature and I do have the power to change it. But I don't want to. Being mature involves an extreme lack of fun and bill paying.

[Animeman73]

Ah, but Tanis there is a middle ground that can be found.

My wonderfully obnoxious stepfather is a Harley-Davidson riding wild man whose seen soime interesting times. Yet he's found that middle ground between being too immature and being too mature. And this is a man whose always had serious issues with authority figures.

While yes being too mature means not having fun and even stooping as low as to using your friends and stabbing them in the back when it's profitable. There's also too Immature where there's no respect for the laws of the school or the country. That's p[art of why one of the thing my Taekwondo teaches is balance. It's okay to behave in a mature and civil fashion but it's also okay to when the time is right cut loose, let your hair down, AND GET DOWN!!! Like I said it's a matter of BALANCE!

[TanisNikana]

Maybe so. I pay the bills, say hi to my dad, do my job, and the rest of it is me time, spent on that couch over there.

[JeffT]

I think my post got deleted cause I said "buttocks".

Your posts were deleted because they were off-topic and irrelevant to the thread.

Please (everyone), keep it to the topic of the thread.

[TanisNikana]

But those were immature posts!

Oh wait, not a freshman. Gotcha.

[Animeman73]

Sorry JeffT I'll try and keep it on subject.

As to Freshman as I said in depends on what kind of foundation their parents give them. And perhaps we can help by making kids understand that being smart and getting good grades in High School and College is cool!

[nikkiolie]

I do think that I am getting more mature. I used to like hanging out with a lot of people at the meet-ups but now I find myself bored and half the time out of place. Everyone is running around screaming and I am sitting in the back face palming wondering if we are going to get kicked out wherever of we are.

[TanisNikana]

Guess I'm not as immature as I thought.

Why'd you have to crash my good times, Nichole?

[Konan-ChanX3]

I have the same feeling Nikki, with meet ups, which is reason to why I end up yelling at those who are being loud and obnoxious.

[TanisNikana]

You know, I'd say we should have a meetup for mature people, but I --

Wait, why not?

[Konan-ChanX3]

Because it's simple: Where ther are 'mature' People, there are bound to be the 'immature' as well. I actually had a meet up to go to tomorrow but I'm considering otherwise seeing as how I want to hang out with Dana.

[Hazuza]

Yeah, any time you want to have a mature meetup, it's likely loud, immature people will show as well.

Unless it's at a restaurant, you have to pay, or 18+, but unless it's invite-only, it's still possible they'll show up.



Haha, our school was filled with pretty mature, quiet people until the last two years when middle schoolers started coming in. We have both high and middle school here. God, they're so rude... I help out a lower level Japanese class, and the kids aren't learning a thing because of how noisy and ignorant everyone is |: I feel sorry for the teacher, she was so frustrated when everyone was doing the complete opposite assignment that she told them repeatedly to do. The freshmen are a little better, since it's an options school and they probably chose to be here instead of their parent's choosing, like the little kids, and they know it's srs bzns. And most people just leave after or during their first year. <3
But what do I know, three years from now I'll be a college freshman.

[Cyprus]

I think my post got deleted cause I said "buttocks".

Anyway, what I was hoping to say before it was deleted is that I am immature and I do have the power to change it. But I don't want to. Being mature involves an extreme lack of fun and bill paying.

I disagree strongly...maturity falls hand in hand with resposibility IMO....so as long as your priorities are set, everything else can be as fun as you make it. I work, pay my bills, take care of anything that needs done around my house, & still find time to do the things I love. The immature that is being spoken of is the lack of respect that a lot of the newer generations have for others...you can have that respect & your fun at the same time as SO many young cosplayers have shown time & time again at the cons that I have attended.

This is... uh... this is nothing new. Us old folks call it....

PERSPECTIVE.

I agree...the older I get, the more I "notice" things like that & it makes me feel old lol...but its true.

On another note, freshman also seem to be getting shorter as well.

SO TRUE!!! But I love short people!

[TomtheFanboy]

O SLAP!
I quoted Edo without knowing it.

[Animeman73]

As I said before I was deleted it's all about balance with maturity and respect. When Freshman in High Schoo,l or College have a sense of respect at home they have sense of respect at school. At my Taekwondo school I know of a black belt couple who have kids who go to Taekwondo and from what I've seen of them their kids who are in middle school but the oldest will soon be going into high school is a very pleasant, very respectful young man. The mantra for having respectful freshman in high school and college is parental responsibility! And indeed responsible people can also let their hair down and have fun.

[Sugarlat]

In collage as well?
Honestly lately at my school most freshmen are entirely rude and immature.
Some of them are incredibly creepy as well.
People aren't just as they used to be =A=
Not the same morals and manners anymore.
I mean generally everyone at my school is immature but most of the younger people are just rude.
Maybe it's a sign that I'm becoming an old person but I've been noticing it more and more recently.

[~boogiepop~]

At my Taekwondo school I know of a black belt couple who have kids who go to Taekwondo and from what I've seen of them their kids who are in middle school but the oldest will soon be going into high school is a very pleasant, very respectful young man.

That was....extremely painful to read.

[nikkiolie]

The immature people that come to the meet ups is the reason why I am planing a private Christmas party

[Griff_the_dragoon]

as long as there are mature people there will be immature people
have seen this in high school, college and actual life
hate to say it but i do act immature sometimes but i know when i can

[TomtheFanboy]

Oooohhh, referential burrrrrn.

[DancingTofu]

Eventually, one of three things happen, and this mindset is abolished:

1. You stop thinking of people less intelligent than yourself as immature, so you accept that you're just smarter than them, and learn to ignore them.

2. You realize that they aren't immature; you're just failing to understand them.

3. You die.

Society isn't going to go fix itself; it's messed up because it made itself that way.  Humans have decided to do away with natural selection and will simply have to suffer the consequences.  However, freshman aren't getting more immature; you're probably not getting more mature either.  What you're experiencing is social gravity.  After spending years with a certain micro-culture, you have adapted yourself to mesh with that society.  Individuals coming into that society (freshman) have not had a chance to adapt to their new social climate, and therefor seem to be outsiders (you call them immature; I'd entirely disagree).  You're simply failing to understand or accept their prior cultural developments.  soundninja12 is experiencing the same thing from the opposite end of the stick.  She has developed a very specific and prominent culture, and it is inconsistent with the standard at her current school.  I imagine that other students around her likely view her as naive because of this, when really she is just seeking to express and spread a more caring and thoughtful culture.

The nice thing about killing the negativity and taking the first step towards not being pissed off by how obnoxious the est of the world seems to be is that it's just a matter of accepting cultural diversity and ignoring the ignorant.  There is no deep spiritual cleansing or vast social purge needed.  However, I do strongly recommend that you accomplish the first two method before the third.  Tends to be more rewarding that way.

[Cyprus]

Eventually, one of three things happen, and this mindset is abolished:

1. You stop thinking of people less intelligent than yourself as immature, so you accept that you're just smarter than them, and learn to ignore them.

2. You realize that they aren't immature; you're just failing to understand them.

3. You die.

Society isn't going to go fix itself; it's messed up because it made itself that way.  Humans have decided to do away with natural selection and will simply have to suffer the consequences.  However, freshman aren't getting more immature; you're probably not getting more mature either.  What you're experiencing is social gravity.  After spending years with a certain micro-culture, you have adapted yourself to mesh with that society.  Individuals coming into that society (freshman) have not had a chance to adapt to their new social climate, and therefor seem to be outsiders (you call them immature; I'd entirely disagree).  You're simply failing to understand or accept their prior cultural developments.  soundninja12 is experiencing the same thing from the opposite end of the stick.  She has developed a very specific and prominent culture, and it is inconsistent with the standard at her current school.  I imagine that other students around her likely view her as naive because of this, when really she is just seeking to express and spread a more caring and thoughtful culture.

The nice thing about killing the negativity and taking the first step towards not being pissed off by how obnoxious the est of the world seems to be is that it's just a matter of accepting cultural diversity and ignoring the ignorant.  There is no deep spiritual cleansing or vast social purge needed.  However, I do strongly recommend that you accomplish the first two method before the third.  Tends to be more rewarding that way.

THIS^ Couldn't have said it better Tofu^^

[Darknight2433]

Whoa, we talking about meetups or immaturity? :0

Anyway, yeah, some freshmen just want to make friends and the key step they think to make those friends is being outgoing. That causes a lot of them to be loud, rude to property, ect. I know because I have a lot of freshmen friends who are obnoxious compared to when I knew them in middle school, and after they explained why, it was all good.

'sides, at meetups, I never know what is worse: the crowd who never shuts up, or the crowd who never lets anyone in.

[TomtheFanboy]

Eventually, one of three things happen, and this mindset is abolished:

1. You stop thinking of people less intelligent than yourself as immature, so you accept that you're just smarter than them, and learn to ignore them.

2. You realize that they aren't immature; you're just failing to understand them.

3. You die.

Society isn't going to go fix itself; it's messed up because it made itself that way.  Humans have decided to do away with natural selection and will simply have to suffer the consequences.  However, freshman aren't getting more immature; you're probably not getting more mature either.  What you're experiencing is social gravity.  After spending years with a certain micro-culture, you have adapted yourself to mesh with that society.  Individuals coming into that society (freshman) have not had a chance to adapt to their new social climate, and therefor seem to be outsiders (you call them immature; I'd entirely disagree).  You're simply failing to understand or accept their prior cultural developments.  soundninja12 is experiencing the same thing from the opposite end of the stick.  She has developed a very specific and prominent culture, and it is inconsistent with the standard at her current school.  I imagine that other students around her likely view her as naive because of this, when really she is just seeking to express and spread a more caring and thoughtful culture.

The nice thing about killing the negativity and taking the first step towards not being pissed off by how obnoxious the est of the world seems to be is that it's just a matter of accepting cultural diversity and ignoring the ignorant.  There is no deep spiritual cleansing or vast social purge needed.  However, I do strongly recommend that you accomplish the first two method before the third.  Tends to be more rewarding that way.

tl;dr

[Animeman73]

Okay Tom, everyone I'm a little out of the loop again. Could anyone tell me what Tom said means please?

[StarryShay]

I'm a Freshman, so I hope that I'm not getting more immature! :'O

[TanisNikana]

Okay Tom, everyone I'm a little out of the loop again. Could anyone tell me what Tom said means please?

Tom loves; did read.

[Animeman73]

Thanks Tanis

[oslapedo]

Whoa, we talking about meetups or immaturity? :0

Anyway, yeah, some freshmen just want to make friends and the key step they think to make those friends is being outgoing. That causes a lot of them to be loud, rude to property, ect. I know because I have a lot of freshmen friends who are obnoxious compared to when I knew them in middle school, and after they explained why, it was all good.

'sides, at meetups, I never know what is worse: the crowd who never shuts up, or the crowd who never lets anyone in.

^ That's some pretty wise stuff.

Usually freshmen act out because they want to make impressions and connections. I know I did =,)

Also, I find all this complaining pretty annoying- instead of whining about the supposed immaturity levels of incoming students why don't you talk to them, or maybe become a role model for them to follow? Scoffing at them on the internet doesn't solve anything.

[StarryShay]

Well, I don't act outgoing or loud to get friends! x33
I'm trying the polite approach. C:

[DancingTofu]

tl;dr is short for "Too long; didn't read."  It's widely accepted as an appropriate response to "RTFM" (read the [freak]ing manual), which is the socially accepted response to "How do I do this?"  However, it is more commonly used in response to wall-o-text posts on web-based forums.  Often, it is used to request a summary, and used in a noun context (ie "Care to post a tl;dr for that?").

Do you feel educated now?

EDIT:
A good ground rule: Tanis is full of crap.

[oslapedo]

Well, I don't act outgoing or loud to get friends! x33
I'm trying the polite approach. C:

Everyone's different, there's no wrong or right way to meeting new people o3o

[Animeman73]

You know Oslapedo and CatchxMe looking at it from an objective perspectivbe you do have a point. And the role model thing can be a good idea. While granted my school years weren't the greatest I do know that there are stuidents of good character out there. It's not so much a matter of where to look for them, as how to look for them. That means instead of acting up judge people by their interactions and go cautiously or if you know the ropes and come accross a wild outgoing freshman take them aside get to know them. Get them into their comfort zone and you can start influencing them and who knows you might also l;earn something from them. I seem to recall an old saying, "The best teachers of all learn from their students." What say all of you to this comment.

[Darknight2433]

Uh, freedom to the masses? :'D

I think peeps should just be friends, yo. If they stay dumb and don't have a reason, well, then get feisty.

[~boogiepop~]

tl;dr is short for "Too long; didn't read."  It's widely accepted as an appropriate response to "RTFM" (read the [freak]ing manual), which is the socially accepted response to "How do I do this?"  However, it is more commonly used in response to wall-o-text posts on web-based forums.  Often, it is used to request a summary, and used in a noun context (ie "Care to post a tl;dr for that?").

Do you feel educated now?

EDIT:
A good ground rule: Tanis is full of crap.

GOD DAMN CHARLES I WAS HAVING A GOOD LAUGH AND THEN YOU GO AND RUIN IT :\

[Cyprus]

You know Oslapedo and CatchxMe looking at it from an objective perspectivbe you do have a point. And the role model thing can be a good idea. While granted my school years weren't the greatest I do know that there are stuidents of good character out there. It's not so much a matter of where to look for them, as how to look for them. That means instead of acting up judge people by their interactions and go cautiously or if you know the ropes and come accross a wild outgoing freshman take them aside get to know them. Get them into their comfort zone and you can start influencing them and who knows you might also l;earn something from them. I seem to recall an old saying, "The best teachers of all learn from their students." What say all of you to this comment.

Very true saying & it applies everywhere it can. I recently started hanging out with some people from the cons/forums that are much younger than me(mostly freshman infact) & they are awsome. In these few meetups, I very soon realized that they had so much knowledge that I didnt in a lot of things...which is awsome for me, I like to learn. Plus, I have plenty of knowledge that they don't & could benefit them greatly as well.

 Where I work, when new people are hired, they are often the ones who bring new ideas or point out unsafe methods of work that us "oldys" don't see because we are used to things a certain way.

[TanisNikana]

A good ground rule: Tanis is full of crap.

THIS.

Except when he's banned, which I think is coming up soon, ain't that right? When I'm banned I'm full of nothing.

[NARUNIK]

XD

[DancingTofu]

XD

Will you please stop responding to posts with just an emoticon?  It's quite non-conducive.