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H1N1 / Aki-con
« on: November 10, 2009, 08:30:52 pm »
Sorry, I know this isn't very topical to Kumori, but I'm not sure where else to post since Aki-con's site is down until December.

If you went to Aki-con this year and you think you might be coming down with the flu, please read.

Woke up this morning with a sharp sore throat that seemed to get better and an icky cough that didn't; didn't think too much of it. But 12 hours later, within an hour I jumped from normal to 102 on the thermometer, started shaking like a leaf from chills, and my muscles started aching like crazy. Aki-con is the only place I could have caught it, and a few websearches seem to show that there were people who had sick family or were sick themselves but didn't want to miss the con. (Which is completely understandable.)

When I gave in and went to the doctor, it turned out to be the H1N1 subtype. No need to panic - there's bound to be more than just H1N1 going around. And the groups who seem to be really in danger from H1N1 are relatively small. (Under 2 or over 65, immune-system problems, heart/liver/lung/kidney problems, diabetics) But the sooner people know, the better, because the few groups that are at serious risk from H1N1 need to go to the doctor as soon after symptoms start as possible.

If anyone knows a better spot where more people who were at Aki-con would see it, please repost. This was just the only place I could think of that's willing to post the info.

Here's some good advice to follow about flu symptoms. (Link.)

*This was modified after Rathany's post; her advice was completely correct in response to the original post.*
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Re: Flu / Aki-con
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2009, 01:15:07 am »
Alot of people get sick at cons.  Ever hear the term 'con plague'.  Actually, I think it has to do with being exposed to lots and lots of illnessness.  Unless it's H1N1 there isn't really cause for alarm.

I got the flu at Sak once year ago.  It happens at cons.  This is part of why people need to stay hydrated, eat well and sleep well at cons. 
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Re: Flu / Aki-con
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2009, 01:56:38 am »
Alot of people get sick at cons.  Ever hear the term 'con plague'.  Actually, I think it has to do with being exposed to lots and lots of illnessness.  Unless it's H1N1 there isn't really cause for alarm.

I got the flu at Sak once year ago.  It happens at cons.  This is part of why people need to stay hydrated, eat well and sleep well at cons.  

Hadn't heard the term before, but it makes sense. (I'm too old to do otherwise, so I did all of the above, but I know there are tons of younguns who skimp on one or more of those protective behaviors.)

It is H1N1, but again - no reason to panic. Only the subgroups I mentioned above have more to worry about, but even if you are in one of those groups you should be safe if you go to the doctor right away. It's only important to know because antivirals quickly become ineffective (>48 hr after first symptoms), so it's good to be watching out for it.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 08:23:57 am »
Oh man, I just got done with a 3 day cold from Aki. Fevers and chills, I'm just glad it didn't get any worse D: I hope you get better soon.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2009, 10:33:19 am »
I work for an Infectious Disease Specialist. Primarily our clients are overseas travelers, people living with HIV/AIDS, and people wanting to update their flu shots or general vaccines.I would strongly recommend that anyone who is going to be attending a convention, taking a flight, and/or generally can't avoid a lot of contact with the public (e.g., working in health care, public transit, library, school, retail), and/or who has asthma, any chronic respiratory condition, and/or other type of immune compromise, and/or is pregnant or nursing a child under 6 months,  go ahead and get the H1N1 vaccine shot. Personally I just got mine on Monday because of my asthma. It was the first vaccine I got in 15 years because I am afraid of needles, a little afraid of vaccines, and generally like to trust my immune system and boost it by natural means. But this disease is different--more prevalent, more virulent--seriously I would recommend that people consider getting the vaccine. Of note is that this is a separate vaccine from the trivalent or "seasonal" flu vaccine; and that I am not recommending the nasal H1N1 vaccine, as it is a live virus vaccine, whereas the shot is of a killed virus.For H1N1 virus availability in Lane County, check the lanecounty.org website. For info & referral and triage, M-F, 8a-8p, &8a-5p weekends & holidays, call 1(800)978-3040. (State Public Health)
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2009, 10:40:40 am »
I just got over H1N1 and this needs to be said: its a big joke.

It is. Unless you're in the risk groups you just sleep, drink a lot of fluids, and take your Tamaflu, you will be fine. The fear mongering the media and even the government is putting out about this stuff makes me sick.

You will be, at most, uncomfortable for a few days. Thats it.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2009, 11:34:47 am »
I just got over H1N1 and this needs to be said: its a big joke.
It is. Unless you're in the risk groups you just sleep, drink a lot of fluids, and take your Tamaflu, you will be fine. The fear mongering the media and even the government is putting out about this stuff makes me sick.
You will be, at most, uncomfortable for a few days. Thats it.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2009, 11:38:17 am »
Mister_manji: At least so far, I would agree that this has been one of the milder cases of the flu I've ever had.

But 1) our single experiences are not a statistical sample - the plural of anecdote is not data, and 2) there's no way to tell how bad it would have been without Tamiflu. It would be very misleading to say that because one person who immediately took antibiotics didn't get very sick from salmonella, that proves salmonella is harmless. Before antibiotics, "ptomaine" was one of the leading causes of death in young people. And in the same way, it would be very misleading to say that because two people who immediately took antivirals didn't get very sick from H1N1, that proves H1N1 is harmless.

It will kill a percentage of people who don't take it seriously and don't get help in time, like with regular flu, but the percentage is higher. My sister was an RN and didn't take it seriously enough to get help in time - we didn't even get to say goodbye. And if even she could be wrong about how fast it can overwhelm a person, I'm not going to take it anything less than seriously or tell anyone else not to.

There is no reason to panic, I completely agree. But there's a giant difference between "don't panic" and "don't take it seriously."
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 11:43:18 am »
Mister_manji: At least so far, I would agree that this has been one of the milder cases of the flu I've ever had.

But 1) our single experiences are not a statistical sample - the plural of anecdote is not data, and 2) there's no way to tell how bad it would have been without Tamiflu. It would be very misleading to say that because one person who immediately took antibiotics didn't get very sick from salmonella, that proves salmonella is harmless. Before antibiotics, "ptomaine" was one of the leading causes of death in young people. And in the same way, it would be very misleading to say that because two people who immediately took antivirals didn't get very sick from H1N1, that proves H1N1 is harmless.

It will kill a percentage of people who don't take it seriously and don't get help in time, like with regular flu, but the percentage is higher. My sister was an RN and didn't take it seriously enough to get help in time - we didn't even get to say goodbye. And if even she could be wrong about how fast it can overwhelm a person, I'm not going to take it anything less than seriously or tell anyone else not to.

There is no reason to panic, I completely agree. But there's a giant difference between "don't panic" and "don't take it seriously."
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2009, 02:18:47 am »
I know the forums are only being trafficked by a small percentage of people who went to Aki-con, but I do hope that only hearing from two people experiencing similar symptoms means the spread was limited. Maybe we both hugged the wrong person? (^_^)

More seriously, the incubation period for the flu is such that infection is unlikely if symptoms don't appear in the next day or two. It would be wonderful if our small sample extrapolates to only a few handfuls of cases.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2009, 09:13:35 am »
i'm sorry to anyone who has been effected by this terrible illness, and i'm happy that people are taking there proper precautions..

however, there are a few things that should be said.

H1N1 is a bad thing, and it is not to be joked about, but honestly, its no smallpox. It is hardly any different from the regular flu, and you basically do the same thing when you have it. The people who die from it are of the same age group as people who die from regular flu, and so far it isn't any different.

I still feel bad for anyone that has it, as my mom, and her roommate currently do, but its really not as bad as it could be.

Rest up, and i hope you feel better.

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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2009, 10:31:47 am »
i'm sorry to anyone who has been effected by this terrible illness, and i'm happy that people are taking there proper precautions..

however, there are a few things that should be said.

H1N1 is a bad thing, and it is not to be joked about, but honestly, its no smallpox. It is hardly any different from the regular flu, and you basically do the same thing when you have it. The people who die from it are of the same age group as people who die from regular flu, and so far it isn't any different.

I still feel bad for anyone that has it, as my mom, and her roommate currently do, but its really not as bad as it could be.

Rest up, and i hope you feel better.

Thank you for the well-wishes. They help.

But sorry, while I think you have a lot of the facts right... I think the presentation of them is terribly misleading.
1) H1N1 is no smallpox. True.
  • Even the very worst of the flus, the H1N1 that caused the 1918 pandemic, only had a mortality rate of 2.5% (compared to the typical 0.1%).
2) H1N1 symptoms are very similar to seasonal flu. True.
  • Personally, I've never had a flu that hit SO FAST, but my individual experience isn't a scientific study.
3) The people most at-risk are the same as normal flu. Mostly true.
4) You basically do the same thing for both. Partly true, partly false.
  • For people not at-risk, supportive care is all that's indicated, though with a closer eye to watching for complications. But people in the at-risk groups need to see a doctor as soon as symptoms show up. Tamiflu can sharply cut mortality, but only if it's started soon after symptoms begin.
5) H1N1 is no different than seasonal flu. False.
  • The CDC's latest update noted that the rate of infection for this flu season is "unprecedented." (Scientists rarely use language that strong.) Mortality is higher than normal. And it appears to be much more quickly followed than normal by superinfection that can lead to pneumonia, which is reminiscent of 1918.

Please keep Stephen Colbert's satirical "truthiness" principle in mind on this subject. My feelings, my individual experience, my next-door neighbor's experience, Mister manji's, or anyone else's, mean almost nothing. The only real facts about how H1N1 is behaving on a mass scale are the data that WHO, CDC, etc are collecting.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 10:38:31 am »
Some truths must be asserted here.
(1)If you shrug it off and wait to see if your body can clear it, it will probably be too late for Tamiflu to be effective if you wait longer than 48 hrs after the onset of symptoms.
(2) It is *not* the same age group that is affected here as with the seasonal flu. Those who die of seasonal flu are usually seniors. With H1N1 there have been deaths of young kids, teens, young adults, including those previously healthy, and this is not generally seen with seasonal flu.
(3) Guess what's in the name "seasonal flu"? *Seasonal*. You can predict when it will ebb and when it will flow. H1N1, does not seem to have a "season". It has kept on keepin' on for what, over 6 months now? In both hemispheres. *Totally unlike* seasonal flu.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 11:22:32 am »
I work in a group home for adults with deleopmental disablities, hygine is a a problem for them, and the place they work colds go thru often and me and my coworkers are exposed (we do our best wash hands sanitizers, sprays cleanings but we have to breath)

I caught the flu at work, after some of my coworkers caught it, and we don't have a lot of option to stay home when sick because it is a 24 hour place, a coworker and i were forced to go to a training when sick and last week a coworker who had it came in started having an asthma attack, and had to wait (dispite many calls from staff to management) till our manager came in, she spent the next 5 days in the hospital with phnemonia and swine flu
I wonder if what I had was swine flu, all I know it was the worst cold I had in a long time cuz normaly I dont have that bad of a fever it was the friggin plague

the funny thing is about the training is the lady who said i had to come, after said I  didnt need the training it was more for other staff, and the other co worker who came while sick didnt remeber any of the training

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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 12:50:27 pm »
JAZ: I would (a) report that agency to your county DD office for neglect and (b) have the coworker who was forced to stay during an asthma attack report the agency to OSHA and (c) have the coworker's bills covered by the agency and (d) quit.

How horrible. I pray for you, your coworkers, & your clients. I did similar work for a decade. My sorta-bf still does & his agency is giving all staff H1N1 nasal vaccine today--2 clients (at least) presently have H1N1.

Now here are some very scary new statistics from the CDC: In the first 6 months of the swine flu pandemic 22 millions have gotten sick, 4,000 have died, of whom 540 were children, and 98,000 were hospitalized, including 36,000 children. And this was during the months that there is no seasonal flu and there was "not supposed to be" any other flu. We are just starting to approach the regular flu season . This is very scary and please, anyone who wants to take it lightly, sthu, keep it to yourself, and you are wrong. And all these statistics represent underestimates because of all the millions who don't have insurance and thus don't contact doctors/hospitals/pharmacies yet are sick & maybe even G-d forbid dying.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2009, 01:49:32 pm »
Everyone has their own way of dealing with their body, if they are sick and don't want medical help we should let them do as they will as long as they stay home (hopefully they don't have other people they live with...).

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2009, 02:44:34 pm »
Certainly everyone is free to make their own choices for themselves, I would simply encourage people to actually do some research (beyond personal anecdote) before making sweeping generalizations that might actively discourage someone else from getting help they genuinely may direly need.

Saying something like "I got better with just bed rest and herb tea, and you might, too" is totally different than saying something like "The media are just hyping it, it's a joke, no one's really dying".
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2009, 04:19:06 pm »
i know i should quit but right now i need to make sure i can pay the bills, i have a schedule that i can job hunt in the mornings and i am looking
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2009, 05:49:02 pm »
i know i should quit but right now i need to make sure i can pay the bills, i have a schedule that i can job hunt in the mornings and i am looking

My sympathies... that's the problem with principles, they always seem to cost money in one way or another.  ;)
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 12:12:36 am »
the choice about the doctors, was $$ based because my health care thru my husbands work ended when his job was moved to kanas, my work just forced us to sign up with a plan if we had no other health plans, and its a lemon kinda plan that costs us quite a bit I dont have a provider yet,
I was more worried about avoiding my mom cuz with her having cemo treatments a bad flu could kill her, she was going to drop off my brother but i sent chris to get him so she wasn't exposed
anyway when I got sick it fever for a day and cough then a few hours where I felt okay and thought just a but but then it hit full force and by the time I realised I had the flu it had been long enought time that it was rest n soup best cure
on that subject

soup is like AWESOME when sick, liptons chicken soup nice and brothy yum!
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2009, 11:37:15 am »
the choice about the doctors, was $$ based because my health care thru my husbands work ended when his job was moved to kanas, my work just forced us to sign up with a plan if we had no other health plans, and its a lemon kinda plan that costs us quite a bit I dont have a provider yet,
I was more worried about avoiding my mom cuz with her having cemo treatments a bad flu could kill her, she was going to drop off my brother but i sent chris to get him so she wasn't exposed
anyway when I got sick it fever for a day and cough then a few hours where I felt okay and thought just a but but then it hit full force and by the time I realised I had the flu it had been long enought time that it was rest n soup best cure
on that subject

soup is like AWESOME when sick, liptons chicken soup nice and brothy yum!
and campbells chicken noodle yum

Amen. I won't, 'cause it would still be taking chances, but I'm tempted to don an N95 respirator mask and pick up an order of hot and sour soup from the local Chinese restaurant. Good hot and sour soup is like thermonuclear warfare on respiratory ailments. I used to say it was the best cure you could get until I saw how quickly Tamiflu worked; now I'd just say it's a close second. (^_^)

Sounds like yours hit the same way mine did; for the first 12 hours I thought maybe I was just imagining things and it was only a cold with a cough and sore throat. Then, BOOM.

Sorry you guys are in the position of choosing between paying the bills and paying the doctor... that's terrible, regardless of whatever people believe the political solution should be. And I hope your mom will be okay, as well - I'll keep my fingers crossed on both accounts for you. Actually, make that all three accounts, considering the idiocy you have to deal with at work.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 02:17:23 am »
For anyone who went to AkiCon and lives in Washington County, I have some info.  If you want an H1N1 vaccine and are in the high-priority groups, you're screwed until mid-December if you were depending on free clinics.  Due to low availability, Washington has cancelled all of their free H1N1 vaccine clinics and urges people to go through their health providers.
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 12:23:12 pm »
Jaz: I totally empathize. This is one of many, many reasons (see, e.g., Michael Moore's "Sicko,"), that I support universal health care. Even as a doctor's daughter & as someone presently working in a doctor's office (at which job, btw, I work too few hours to get insurance).
Randompvg & Jaz: Likewise, when under the weather I rely upon delivery of Thai restaurants' Tom Kha soup. Though I order it with tofu instead of chicken. I found an organic canned version, but it contains mushrooms, which I don't eat. It's basically coconut milk, galanga root (Thai ginger), kaffir leaves, lime, tomatos, sometimes broccoli or carrots, onion, cabbage, red chili pepper, & lemongrass. Opens your sinuses (as does honey mustard with horseradish from a real Jewish deli).
Hawkeye: Thanks for valuable info. That is scary info actually. Oh and no one is supposed to charge for H1n1. It is provided free, to & by Public Health. Providers are, however, allowed to charge up to the Medicare standard of $19.83 or so, as an "administrative fee". I can't even tell you how many doctors & nurses & dentists call us, even they cant get the vaccine. I got it, hopefully it worked (there was some dry yellow/brown on the cotton ball on my arm 2 days later; hopefully it didn't leak out! the doc says that was "serum" i.e. a part of the blood lacking red blood cells?)
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Re: H1N1 / Aki-con
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 06:26:37 pm »
My boyfriend thinks that my flu is actually Swine Aids. I've had a pretty terrible cold and fever over the last couple days and just when I thought I was getting better last night...I wake up at 3 in the morning and start vomiting. Too poor to go to the hospital though and get checked, I can't stay at home either because of college. I think I'm just gonna Micheal Jackson it up tomorrow for class and try to fight through my fever and exaustion, I can't miss another day.

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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2009, 10:53:05 am »
I was very grateful that I did not get sick after the con. It would have sucked x.x