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Donald Trump to run for 2012
« on: April 07, 2011, 11:34:29 am »
I'm not a huge political person but this definitely caught my attention.
What do you guys think about this major businessman wanting to run for President in 2012?

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 12:43:59 pm »
This about summed it up for me: "I'm only interested in Libya if we get to keep the oil."

Ouch.  Really?  Only interested in a country if you can steal its resources?  o____o

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 01:51:37 pm »
Meaning the war that might be rising up between us.
He's only interested in a war with Libya if we get the oil as the prize for wining.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 02:30:59 pm »
^ You mean winning. ;D

Hey, it's been awhile since I've been a grammar Nazi!

Anyway, I'd vote for him, maybe...  I think we need someone who understands money to be a president to lead us out of this economic slump (even though it'll most likely be a process that'll stretch for two, possibly three terms).
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 02:50:10 pm »
Hey, at least it's a real word. XP
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I don't think I would. My mom worked for him once and said he was a huge jerk to his employees.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 03:40:49 pm »
Oh god, no. I didn't click the link because I refuse to watch TV news, but I know enough about Trump to know he'd make an awful president. Seriously, the entire Republican party needs to read some freaking Keynes.

I want Hillary to re-run. ): I don't think she will for 2012, though. Maybe 2016.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 03:47:09 pm »
^ Come again?  You'd rather have the daughter of Satan running for President than a Republican that does understand Keynes?  I think Trump would do more good for this country than 95% of the American politicians, Democrat or Republican.

^^ This is true: wining is a real word, meaning "to drink wine." :P  I'm a turd...

Of course Trump is a jerk to his employees.

For those who may be into pro-wrestling: I remember when Linda McMahon was running for a senator's seat in Connecticut.  The day before, the WWE did a segment in which Vince McMahon had said that, if Linda could be a Senator, then he could become President.  He and Donald trump have had a billionaire-rivalry for a few years now (which I think is somewhat real, but not as intense as they've played it out on TV).
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 03:50:25 pm »
Hey guys no fighting! This doesn't need to be a political debate between Republicans and Democrats so no attacks. )<

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 03:54:16 pm »
^ Come again?  You'd rather have the daughter of Satan running for President than a Republican that does understand Keynes?  I think Trump would do more good for this country than 95% of the American politicians, Democrat or Republican.
lolol daughter of satan. How so?

Trump understands Keynes? I haven't seen that. If he did, he wouldn't be a Republican. Keynes was for regulation and would be telling the American gov't to do more spending right now.

Basically, you want a guy who has been bankrupt three times and owed the Deutsche Bank 40,000,000,000 dollars only getting out because he called the crisis an 'Act of God,' and has a long history of overdue debt to be president?

Bernie Sanders would be a great candidate, but he doesn't want to run. Shame.

Gryffinclaw Princess, if you make a thread about politics there's gonna be debate. This happened in November 2008 when Obama became president, too. Also, we're not attacking each other. Political debates are allowed on this board as long as we stay mature.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 03:57:11 pm »
This is not a political debate thread. If you wish to debate, please make another thread. I simply wanted to see how people felt about a businessman running for Presidency. This is not about politics in general or what political party you fall under. Please refrain from your debates as they run off of the topic.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 04:17:56 pm »
I think she's closer to pure evil than Sarah Palin.

I don't know how familiar Trump is with Keynes, but I do know that he knows money.  I'm sure that some republicans are, perhaps many.  Trump may have gone bankrupt three times, but he's incredibly successful now.  The fact that he's as successful as he is shows that he's learned how to avoid making business mistakes that can jeopardize his wallet.  So, yes, I'd rather have that than a woman who wants to outstage her husband, who was a pretty good President with a major moral issue.

I had to do a little research on Bernie Sanders; now I remember that name!  Yeah, he could make an awesome President, if he wanted to run for it.  I'd consider voting for him.  I don't agree with his stance on abortion, but I think that's not a big enough issue, considering some of the other issues at hand.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 04:23:54 pm »
This is my politics face ---->  ???

With that being said, I quite honestly did not know who Donald Trump was until a week ago when my friend explained him to me.
Also, politics make me cry viciously and become rather violent (as I flail to get away from conversations ;)). I registered to vote but seeing as I feel that it is better to not vote if you are unaware (too many people vote because of things OTHERS say) I have decided that for the time being, and until I find someone who makes me WANT to care about politics, I will be pretending that women (Read: People that are me) cannot vote.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 04:26:05 pm »
^ lol
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 04:28:44 pm »
I think she's closer to pure evil than Sarah Palin.
Sarah Palin isn't evil. I don't think she's very bright, but evil? Nah.

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I don't know how familiar Trump is with Keynes, but I do know that he knows money.  I'm sure that some republicans are, perhaps many.  Trump may have gone bankrupt three times, but he's incredibly successful now.  The fact that he's as successful as he is shows that he's learned how to avoid making business mistakes that can jeopardize his wallet.  So, yes, I'd rather have that than a woman who wants to outstage her husband, who was a pretty good President with a major moral issue.
How does Hillary Clinton want to outstage her husband? Maybe she just wants to be president.

The last time Trump filed for bankruptcy was two years ago. Again, he'd been bankrupt twice before. I doubt he's learned by now if he made those business mistakes twice.

Did I mention the 40 million dollars? If he can't run his business, I can't trust him to run a country.
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I had to do a little research on Bernie Sanders; now I remember that name!  Yeah, he could make an awesome President, if he wanted to run for it.  I'd consider voting for him.
Bernie Sanders is boss. Too bad he's an independent, which means no one would vote for him, though, and he'd just be taking away votes from the Democrat candidate.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 04:56:59 pm »
^ I've heard many deomcrats and liberals referring to her as being feminine evil.  As for Hillary, it's mainly because she creeps me the hell out.  I get this weird feeling that she's pure evil.  I see nothing good coming from her, and I truly believe that she wants to run this country because her husband did it, and she thinks she can do better.

I didn't pay too much attention to any of the times that Trump filed for bankruptcy, but I can believe that he did it for strategic purposes, not because of necessity.  40 million is not a huge loss to him, since he's worth several billion dollars.  He probably did it as a smart money-saving scheme.

Either way, I just saw that Mike Huckabee is running, too, and I think he stands a much better chance at getting the republican vote.  (Besides, Trump is probably doing this as another business move, rather than a serious political move).  GO HUCKABEE!!!
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 05:09:49 pm »
^ I've heard many deomcrats and liberals referring to her as being feminine evil.  As for Hillary, it's mainly because she creeps me the hell out.  I get this weird feeling that she's pure evil.  I see nothing good coming from her, and I truly believe that she wants to run this country because her husband did it, and she thinks she can do better.
For one thing, I'm not like mainstream liberals or democrats. I like guns and drugs and think discourse is essential to good government, as long as it's productive.

Second thing: Can you provide any proof of that? I'm not inclined to believe you unless you can show me anything you've said that supports that theory.

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I didn't pay too much attention to any of the times that Trump filed for bankruptcy, but I can believe that he did it for strategic purposes, not because of necessity.  40 million is not a huge loss to him, since he's worth several billion dollars.  He probably did it as a smart money-saving scheme.
Here's the article, it wasn't a smart money-saving scheme. A few months later, he filed bankruptcy. Have you ever filed bankruptcy before? You only do it when you absolutely need to, considering that it's hard to get a loan after you do. Like I said, he has a bad history with paying back loans. Just because he's risk doesn't necessarily mean he's smart with money- Think of the risky investing of the 1920s.

Real estate is an investment, and it was a bubble until that bubble burst in 2008.

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Either way, I just saw that Mike Huckabee is running, too, and I think he stands a much better chance at getting the republican vote.  (Besides, Trump is probably doing this as another business move, rather than a serious political move).  GO HUCKABEE!!!
Republican values are the complete opposite of mine for the most part, so I won't be voting Huckabee 2012, sorry. I heard Newt Gingrich is voting as well, but considering his marriage history I feel it might be harder for him to get the vote.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2011, 05:21:58 pm »
The Donald for president. Over almost any Democrat that would get their party's nomination. I like him for a couple reasons. He isn't a neo-con. He isn't of the religious right. He won't be beholden to anybody, except maybe the American people.

But that said, as of today I am leaning towards Romney. A business guy who was a successful governor of an ultra Blue state, Massachusetts.

All airlines have filed for bankruptcy, does that mean you wouldn't fly? If people quit going to your casinos, how does that mean you do not know how to run your business? The thing about the Donald, is that he takes risks with his business. Some go south. But he is able to get his business going again, and end up worth more than he was before bankruptcy.

Better than bankrupting America, and having no idea how to get US out, except to tax US more, and put more people out of work.

Also, at $108 per barrel of oil, I don't see how that is stealing. Why do we need to be in Libya, they haven't attacked us since flight 103? And we already bombed them for that. I was in Japan at the time, so I remember this incident. If we should have gone anywhere, it would have been Darfur, or Rwanda before that. France can have this one, it so wants. Too bad they didn't do anything for their former colonies, any of them. Haiti, Cote D'Ivoire, Sudan, Rwanda.

Actually I think the Donald is a pretty good manager. He seems to get more out of his people, than they think they can do. That's a real good thing to have in a president.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2011, 05:28:25 pm »
I really wish I could freakin' quote right now...

Proof of what?  That Hillary thinks she can be President because Bill did, or that I feel that she's evil?

An interesting article: here's the two main things that stood out to me.  1) I saw nothing about an act of God, except in the title.  2) By the time bankruptcy was mentioned, it said that it was possible but not a guarantee, and that it's not really HIM filing, but a company that he has a claim to.

I kind of figured that you weren't a Republican.  It's a shame (it would seem) that you aren't even interested in why he'd be a good President over something as silly as political party.  Though I see myself as a Republican, I have no problem voting for a Democrat if I believe that they're the better person for the job.  Of the people that I've heard confirmations or rumors about running in 2012, I think that Huckabee would be best.  (As for Newt Gingrich, I assume you mean "run" and not "vote;" he won't stand a chance).
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2011, 05:37:11 pm »
All airlines have filed for bankruptcy, does that mean you wouldn't fly? If people quit going to your casinos, how does that mean you do not know how to run your business? The thing about the Donald, is that he takes risks with his business. Some go south. But he is able to get his business going again, and end up worth more than he was before bankruptcy.
Nope, but it means I wouldn't vote for their owners. Also, the reason Trump had to file for bankruptcy that time wasn't because people stopped going to his casinos, it was because he got into so much debt buying out other casinos that he didn't have the revenue to pay it back.

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Better than bankrupting America, and having no idea how to get US out, except to tax US more, and put more people out of work.
Obama had the right idea at first, actually, with the stimulus packages. GDP is basically Government Spending + Consumer Spending + Industry Spending. During recession, consumers and the industry stop spending. Guess who needs to pick up the pace? The government, otherwise the GDP plummets and that isn't good.

As for taxation, I agree it's not a good idea to tax the middle class and the poor, but when the rich are sitting on piles of money they're not investing or using for luxury purchases, it might as well go to use.

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Also, at $108 per barrel of oil, I don't see how that is stealing. Why do we need to be in Libya...?
Because oil is something the countries that make a profit off of it need so that they can continue to get money? If I go into Tiffany's and steal a diamond necklace, I can't just say it's stealing because it was so expensive. If the price of oil is such a big deal, why don't we just use the oil we drill ourselves or switch to another power source?

As for being in Libya, I agree. We don't need to be there.

I really wish I could freakin' quote right now...

Proof of what?  That Hillary thinks she can be President because Bill did, or that I feel that she's evil?
Proof she only wants to be president because Bill was.

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An interesting article: here's the two main things that stood out to me.  1) I saw nothing about an act of God, except in the title.  2) By the time bankruptcy was mentioned, it said that it was possible but not a guarantee, and that it's not really HIM filing, but a company that he has a claim to.
1. Damn, you're right. =\ I guess I didn't read it carefully enough. Still, though, he owed $40 million and he should have been able to pay it back.

2. Oops, that wasn't the article that mentioned the bankruptcy. Despite the fact that it wasn't really him filing, he's filed twice in the past, and that's enough.

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I kind of figured that you weren't a Republican.  It's a shame (it would seem) that you aren't even interested in why he'd be a good President over something as silly as political party.  Though I see myself as a Republican, I have no problem voting for a Democrat if I believe that they're the better person for the job.  Of the people that I've heard confirmations or rumors about running in 2012, I think that Huckabee would be best.  (As for Newt Gingrich, I assume you mean "run" and not "vote;" he won't stand a chance).
Whoops, I meant run. Sorry, sometimes I type the wrong thing.

Nope, I'm perfectly interested as to why he'd be a good president. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be discussing this with you or jaybug. If I thought a Republican could do the job, I'd vote for hir- The thing is, I doubt I could because I really don't think there's any Republicans who would do what I think needs to be done. I'm a radical progressive, after all.

Most people figure out I'm not a Republican pretty fast.  ;)
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2011, 08:40:00 pm »
It's your Colbert avatar that has them all confused. lol

You kind of made me wonder which idiots lent the Donald money to buy casinos, if they couldn't make enough to pay back the loans. You have to show a detailed plan for repayment, especially on the kind of money it takes to buy a casino. Plus, there are a whole lot of laws governing gambling, so that nothing funny goes on, except for the nightclub acts. These things are hyperregulated.

And it isn't as if I am all that familiar with any of the Donald's bankruptcies. Or his divorces.

Divorce, that alone would prohibit his election. Americans just don't vote for single men, or divorcees, as far as presidents are concerned.

Keynes was a liberal. However there is some value to what he wrote. And it's too bad the "stimulus package" didn't really follow his advice. The plan was too small, and not focused. It didn't "prime the pump" it filled the bilge with and the pump with all kinds of priming fluid. It was also not quick enough. Some of the money has yet to be spent. It was timed to make things good for Democrats this past election. Proof that it wasn't the right kind of stimulus package, right there.

Go read some Milton Freidman. Or Joseph Schumpeter, of you want to learn more about how economics actually works.

And some Peter Drucker, I think one of his books will be the basis for a baseball anime this Spring. I am so looking forward to a girl baseball manager, using Drucker's management style.

Huckabee at least ran a state as governor, like someone else we know.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2011, 08:40:53 pm »
Proof she only wants to be president because Bill was.

Okay, let's look at it this way.  How likely is it that people outside of New York would have known who she was if she weren't married to a President?  And how likely is it that there'd be such a strong push to have her possibly run for the position?  Many people (Chan included) like to say that she "ran the country" when Bill was in office.  I think it's a bunch of hooey, myself, but either way, she probably never would have been taken seriously as a Presidential candidate if Bill weren't in office.


1. Damn, you're right. =\ I guess I didn't read it carefully enough. Still, though, he owed $40 million and he should have been able to pay it back.

I agree, but it sounded like a possible money-making scam, based off of what I read.  He's a freakin' billionaire; he could have paid it.  However, he did have an interesting (and logically legal) reason not to.


Whoops, I meant run. Sorry, sometimes I type the wrong thing.

Nope, I'm perfectly interested as to why he'd be a good president. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be discussing this with you or jaybug. If I thought a Republican could do the job, I'd vote for hir- The thing is, I doubt I could because I really don't think there's any Republicans who would do what I think needs to be done. I'm a radical progressive, after all.

Most people figure out I'm not a Republican pretty fast.  ;)

That's okay.  I still say Huckabee would be the BEST option out of the possible candidates that I've heard either entering their names or rumored to be entering their name, party irrelevant.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2011, 08:43:16 pm »
Why don't you favor Romney? He was a governor, a successful businessman. His father was also a well loved governor of Michigan.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2011, 09:10:49 pm »
If Donald Trump was the next president I'd shoot myself lol.
Honestly, I wish Anthony Weiner would run ;A; Have you seen this guy? SO GOOD.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2011, 09:19:42 pm »
^ Who?

Why don't you favor Romney? He was a governor, a successful businessman. His father was also a well loved governor of Michigan.


I haven't heard one way or another if he was going to contend this year, too.  He'd be a great pick, too.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2011, 09:21:54 pm »
Guys guys guys no need to disagree!
Here I have an option we all can agree on!

Christopher Walken for prez!!!
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2011, 09:23:06 pm »
Again, who?
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2011, 09:30:34 pm »
Again, who?

wow really, no really?

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2011, 09:32:05 pm »
It's your Colbert avatar that has them all confused. lol
I have a conservative friend who tries to convince me Colbert is really just PRETENDING to be a satire. I can't tell whether I'm being trolled or not.

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You kind of made me wonder which idiots lent the Donald money to buy casinos, if they couldn't make enough to pay back the loans. You have to show a detailed plan for repayment, especially on the kind of money it takes to buy a casino. Plus, there are a whole lot of laws governing gambling, so that nothing funny goes on, except for the nightclub acts. These things are hyperregulated.
Ask Time. It's an old article, but it's from one of the times he went bankrupt.

When did I mention sketchy things going on in his casinos? I was saying he borrowed too much.

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And it isn't as if I am all that familiar with any of the Donald's bankruptcies. Or his divorces.

Divorce, that alone would prohibit his election. Americans just don't vote for single men, or divorcees, as far as presidents are concerned.
And we won't even mention gay men, because a homosexual as a president? Oh, the horror!  ;) Seriously, though, that's why Newt Gingrich will never be elected, and that is the one thing I like about that bias Americans have.

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Keynes was a liberal. However there is some value to what he wrote. And it's too bad the "stimulus package" didn't really follow his advice. The plan was too small, and not focused. It didn't "prime the pump" it filled the bilge with and the pump with all kinds of priming fluid. It was also not quick enough. Some of the money has yet to be spent. It was timed to make things good for Democrats this past election. Proof that it wasn't the right kind of stimulus package, right there.
Of course he was a liberal. However, his theories tend to work better than Adam Smith's- See the Great Depression. As for the stimulus package, it was definitely too small and not focused, because in order to pass it the Democrats had to make a lot of sacrifices to the Republicans. They should have been more assertive, but Democrats don't tend to be when they're in office.

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Go read some Milton Freidman. Or Joseph Schumpeter, of you want to learn more about how economics actually works.
Or you could explain how I'm fallacious? You haven't brought up anything saying that I am being fallacious in my statements- In fact, you've just been saying that the stimulus wasn't big/focused enough, which I completely agree with. But stimulus packages aren't Republican.

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Huckabee at least ran a state as governor, like someone else we know.
Bush wasn't the greatest president in the history of the USA, and that is a statement I think we can all agree on.

Proof she only wants to be president because Bill was.

Okay, let's look at it this way.  How likely is it that people outside of New York would have known who she was if she weren't married to a President?  And how likely is it that there'd be such a strong push to have her possibly run for the position?  Many people (Chan included) like to say that she "ran the country" when Bill was in office.  I think it's a bunch of hooey, myself, but either way, she probably never would have been taken seriously as a Presidential candidate if Bill weren't in office.
About as likely as people knowing who a junior senator from Illinois was, and as likely as there being a strong push for a junior senator from Illinois. Maybe more. New York is a larger, dare I say 'more important' state than Illinois, and she was a senator longer than Obama was.

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1. Damn, you're right. =\ I guess I didn't read it carefully enough. Still, though, he owed $40 million and he should have been able to pay it back.

I agree, but it sounded like a possible money-making scam, based off of what I read.  He's a freakin' billionaire; he could have paid it.  However, he did have an interesting (and logically legal) reason not to.
Not paying back your loans hurts the economy, though, especially if it's a sum like $40mil. As for his reason. . Well, it is interesting, you've got that right.

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Whoops, I meant run. Sorry, sometimes I type the wrong thing.

Nope, I'm perfectly interested as to why he'd be a good president. If I wasn't, I wouldn't be discussing this with you or jaybug. If I thought a Republican could do the job, I'd vote for hir- The thing is, I doubt I could because I really don't think there's any Republicans who would do what I think needs to be done. I'm a radical progressive, after all.

Most people figure out I'm not a Republican pretty fast.  ;)

That's okay.  I still say Huckabee would be the BEST option out of the possible candidates that I've heard either entering their names or rumored to be entering their name, party irrelevant.
I haven't been paying as much attention to the possible candidates as I should have been, admittedly. Most of the news I've been reading is to prepare me for a debate tournament in a few days, so I've been reading everything I can find on the Middle East, North Korea, Japan, nuclear power, oil, the economy, etc.

Jaz, noooo. Stephen Colbert for president!
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2011, 09:38:48 pm »
Again, who?

wow really, no really?

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I didn't get it; Chan & her sister told me he's an actor, but they haven't said anything that I'd recognized.

About as likely as people knowing who a junior senator from Illinois was, and as likely as there being a strong push for a junior senator from Illinois. Maybe more. New York is a larger, dare I say 'more important' state than Illinois, and she was a senator longer than Obama was.


Illinois has the second largest city in the country.  Also, he got a big push because he was the first black man to seriously enter his name as a presidential candidate (back in '04).  Honestly, I truly believe that his race was a big push for him in between '04 and '08, and I know for a fact, based off of what many Obama supporters have said, that a good percentage of his voters voted for him because he is part black.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2011, 09:45:11 pm »
Again, who?

wow really, no really?

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I didn't get it; Chan & her sister told me he's an actor, but they haven't said anything that I'd recognized.

About as likely as people knowing who a junior senator from Illinois was, and as likely as there being a strong push for a junior senator from Illinois. Maybe more. New York is a larger, dare I say 'more important' state than Illinois, and she was a senator longer than Obama was.


Illinois has the second largest city in the country.  Also, he got a big push because he was the first black man to seriously enter his name as a presidential candidate (back in '04).  Honestly, I truly believe that his race was a big push for him in between '04 and '08, and I know for a fact, based off of what many Obama supporters have said, that a good percentage of his voters voted for him because he is part black.
I keep on hearing that (most of them voted for him because he's part black), but I never see any statistics. I have no doubt that a great deal of them did, but a good percentage? That's a bit more sketchy.

Actually, California has the second largest city in the country: LA. Chicago is the third largest. An easy mistake to make, though.

Hillary Clinton had had national attention since 1969. She co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, became the first female chair of Legal Services Corporation, was the first female partner of Rose Law Firm, and was listed twice as one of the top 100 most influential lawyers in America.

How's that for a push?

Even if she did gain a large push from her husband being a former president, that doesn't show that she only wanted to be president because of him. If you look at her life, she obviously wanted to have a career in politics before she even married Bill.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2011, 09:51:26 pm »
Once upon a time, Chicago was #2; that's why it's other nickname is the Second City, but you're right, currently Chicago is #3.

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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2011, 10:13:40 pm »
In 1964, she volunteered to help Barry Goldwater's campaign. She majored in political science and was the president of the Young Republicans on her campus. She interned at the House Republican Conference, helped Nelson Rockefeller's campaign, and attended the 1968 RNC. She graduated with departmental honours in Political Science. And that's just her life until she graduated college.

As for her career as a lawyer, it's not like you just graduate from college and then become a senator.
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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2011, 10:24:55 pm »
Please to read carefully. I did not say sketchy. Or that I said you said sketchy. Only that there are laws against that sort of thing, with strict enforcement. Also I did not say what you said about Keynes was fallacious. Bush used a stimulus package back in 2001. Remember the tax cuts the Democrats wanted to let expire, but Obama changed his mind? Yeah, that was most of Bush's stimulus package. Go forth and shop!

You'd have to look up old Paul Krugman op ed pieces to see where he states the stimulus package was too small. And I believe it was an article from the Economist magazine where I got the idea that the stimulus package was unfocused, as in didn't put enough money into infrastructure.

The Donald cannot win the party nomination. The best he can hope for is talking points during the campaign. And hopefully the nominee, and the candidate from the other party take up where he could not go. What those points would be is anyone's guess at this point.

1968 RNC, wasn't that where Rockefeller was booed off stage, or was that 1964?

Crud, Now I forgot something reading the post that Miria just made. I was going to edit something....oops oh well.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #33 on: April 07, 2011, 10:30:57 pm »
Please to read carefully. I did not say sketchy. Or that I said you said sketchy. Only that there are laws against that sort of thing, with strict enforcement. Also I did not say what you said about Keynes was fallacious. Bush used a stimulus package back in 2001. Remember the tax cuts the Democrats wanted to let expire, but Obama changed his mind? Yeah, that was most of Bush's stimulus package. Go forth and shop!
Wait, I'm confused. I did read carefully, I just had no idea what you were talking about and why you were bringing that up, because I didn't know where it came from all of the sudden.

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You'd have to look up old Paul Krugman op ed pieces to see where he states the stimulus package was too small. And I believe it was an article from the Economist magazine where I got the idea that the stimulus package was unfocused, as in didn't put enough money into infrastructure.
. . Except, I agree with you already.

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The Donald cannot win the party nomination. The best he can hope for is talking points during the campaign. And hopefully the nominee, and the candidate from the other party take up where he could not go. What those points would be is anyone's guess at this point.
McCain actually was divorced once, but it wasn't as publicized.

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1968 RNC, wasn't that where Rockefeller was booed off stage, or was that 1964?
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Crud, Now I forgot something reading the post that Miria just made. I was going to edit something....oops oh well.

Ach, now I remember! bakabt.com has a forum child board for politics, if you want to show that you are more than merely an otaku. I blather there about daily. Lots of lefties, lots of righties. And a viking or two thrown in.
Bah, I'm not even an otaku- I don't really even watch anime anymore. Most otaku thing I do is cosplay. I'm primarily a speechie now.  8) But thanks for the link; I'll probably end up checking it out.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #34 on: April 07, 2011, 11:08:46 pm »
Bah, I'm not even an otaku- I don't really even watch anime anymore. Most otaku thing I do is cosplay. I'm primarily a speechie now.  8) But thanks for the link; I'll probably end up checking it out.
This is exactly what I've been slowly becoming across the past few months and I need to fix this before I go back to being a server junkie that lives off of bad code and car parts. >.>'

Anyway the whole Donald Trump for president thing doesn't stand a chance. Republicans have his name in a very short list of potential candidates but he's in the middle(a very indecisive middle). None of these guys have the capacity to make a strong decision so I'm not worried. Also, Donald Trump is probably the one man in the world that can get away with speaking so abrasively to his employees without causing himself serious problems. We would definitely see a number of changes if he was in control but none of it good. Right now I'm more comfortable watching the fight grow nasty. :)
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2011, 09:52:19 am »
C'mon, enough threadjacking... if you want a new thread for discussing Hillary further, I can split out the four only-about-Hillary posts as a starting point, but the subject here seems to be The Donald. (Ditto for politics in general, instead of The Donald specifically.)

Personal opinion: I can think of people who would be worse, but not many. I might vote for The Donald if he were running for President of the newly formed country of Megalomania, but I'd have to think about it a while.

He reminds me of an old joke I heard about the Platte River - "Only six inches deep, but a mile wide at the mouth".
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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2011, 09:56:55 am »
^ I would think that Megalomania would've been a country that he would've purchased and created himself! ;D
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2011, 10:00:08 am »
^ Thank you for getting the dorky joke. (^_^) Maybe one of these days he'll buy Sealand and rename it?
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2011, 10:05:07 am »
^ I would think that Megalomania would've been a country that he would've purchased and created himself! ;D

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Dubai has a sister country? o.O
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2011, 01:23:54 pm »
^ Thank you for getting the dorky joke. (^_^) Maybe one of these days he'll buy Sealand and rename it?

Don't say that to Hetalia fans... they'll drown you in pasta while chucking cheeseburgers at you should you try to escape! ;D
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2011, 03:51:07 pm »
I think Trump is a joke, almost as big as Mike Dukakis (D-Mass) was.

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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2011, 05:12:33 pm »
I think Trump is a joke, almost as big as Mike Dukakis (D-Mass) was.

So far my fav this time around is HERMAN CAIN.


lol Dukakis...

I did a little looking into this Herman Cain guy... perhaps he would be a good candidate, but I'd like to hear more from him, myself.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2011, 07:12:32 pm »
I think Trump is a joke, almost as big as Mike Dukakis (D-Mass) was.

So far my fav this time around is HERMAN CAIN.
Gahaha, I agree about Trump being a joke.

Cain reminds me of Whitman. D: Not a good thing.
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2011, 08:40:14 pm »
No, Trump wants to be mayor of Hairusburg!

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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2011, 08:51:27 pm »
^ ROFLMAO!!!  do doo da do do  ROFLMAO!!!  do do dee doo  ROFLMAO!!!  do doo da do do da do doda do da do do doop da do da deee doop
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Re: Donald Trump to run for 2012
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2011, 11:55:34 pm »
This about summed it up for me: "I'm only interested in Libya if we get to keep the oil."

Ouch.  Really?  Only interested in a country if you can steal its resources?  o____o

Well, he's honest. I'll give him that.
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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2011, 05:16:07 pm »
I thought former mayor of D.C. convicted crack head Marion Berry was the epitome of political class fail. Or cause for an idiot test to vote.
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« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2011, 05:31:46 pm »
... by Chumbawumba.

More Trump Thumping here:

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Trump-is-Final-Proof-that-the-Political-Class-Has-Failed
I looked through a few more articles that that author had, and I actually liked him. Although his article about the American dream and how liberals want to kill it made me laugh a bit too much. .
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