but of course people will debate and rant and scream in the name of whomever seems "preferable", and of course there will be the very ignorant and arrogant people arguing back and forth about nonsense, and although many speak out their whole hearted honest opinion, those will be very much missed and looked over or bashed for being "un-american" or "stupid" or "wtf??? you some terrorist??".
Why is discourse bad? If someone disagrees with you and they have a good reason for it, then why shouldn't they be allowed to say something? I've found that discourse over controversial subjects such as this are very educational.
Btw, debate =/= ranting and screaming. That's an argument. I've had good, educational debates on these forums. None of the insults have happened on here to my knowledge. That's why we're allowed to have these threads, because we try to be civil.
p.s. i love these kind of discussions, but i don't think this is worth talking about. just like hitler's "death". it's just not news. it's history (oh god not another pun) *end of rant* XD
. . Except Hitler's death happened 66 years ago and the Nazis had basically lost the war at that point anyway. This is news. It happened recently and it's
very relevant to current politics.
It's at least more newsworthy than the royal wedding.I'm pretty darn pleased.
Osama would never reform. He was a radical follower of Sayyid Qutb. He more or less believed that any Muslim that did not adhere to a strict interpretation of Islam was in fact "not a Muslim" and could be killed as an apostate. If he had changed his mind on his interpretation, he would have been killed long before we had a chance to get at him.
I'm not saying he would reform. It was just wishful thinking.
Both me and my bro feel the same way about this. I happy that he his dead but I slightly disturbed with myself and our society that we are so happy that he is dead. Don't get he wrong he deserved it..... but is it ever right to celebrate someone's death. He did have a family
and for something completely different
I freaking love that macro.
All I'm saying is that the gloating doesn't win us any friends. Especially not when Muslims constantly hear themselves conflated with the terrorists - it risks creating the perception that the gloating is also directed at them.
You know the hate Muslims get here in America? It actually really hurts Christians in the Middle East, because the Muslims there assume that they're all like the Christians in America, aka Muslim-haters. So the Christians in the Middle East are discriminated against.
Can you say: Cycle of hate?
I am jumping for joy if you don't remember maybe i should remind you, he sent two planes into the twin towers and then the pentagon, 3000 people were killed, it was 9/11 I am glad he is dead.
So? The invasion of Iraq caused over a million Iraqi civilians to die. The Afghanistan occupation is CONTINUING to kill thousands of Afghani civilians to die. 3,000 lives isn't anything on the scale of what we've done in retaliation.
But still: No one deserves to be killed for anything they've done. Who are you to say who can and can't live?
Not to mention one plane hurtled into the earth killing the most brave people. Flight 93, they were true heroes.
So they were brave for being in a situation that they were forced into? Sorry, I'm not quite sure how they're brave for dying in a plane hijaking. It's tragic, obviously, but how does that make them brave? I doubt any of them would have gone on that plane had they known what was going to happen. They didn't
choose to become martyrs.
Its awesome that a terrorist will not be able to hurt anyone ever again.
In a way its too bad that they were unable to capture him alive because I am sure there are victims who would have liked to have their say in court, or a chance to gain some info. No saying if he would have talked, but you never know, esp since from the sound of the compound, he wasn't used to "roughing it".
tbh I don't think he'd care what they had to say to him. He didn't like us much.
I'm glad they didn't capture him alive, because as I said before, they'd treat him worse than they treat Gitmo prisoners.
No one should have to go through that; I don't care if they're Mother Theresa or Joseph Mengele.
Also, if we obtained any info from torture it's highly likely it wouldn't be true.
Its awesome that a terrorist will not be able to hurt anyone ever again.
In a way its too bad that they were unable to capture him alive because I am sure there are victims who would have liked to have their say in court, or a chance to gain some info. No saying if he would have talked, but you never know, esp since from the sound of the compound, he wasn't used to "roughing it".
^ Neither was Sadaam Hussein when they found him in a hole in the dessert.
All I can say is...the 10 year toothache is finally gone. Let's hope that no one's foolish enough to make it grow back. I'm sure on 9/11/2011, the 10th anniversary of "the suckerpunch that shook thew world," there'll be masses with their heads held high for once.
I'm pretty sure that someone is gonna replace him soon. Al-Qaeda's probably been expecting this for a while.
They don't care whether it's pointless or whether the United States might crush them (considering it's a losing battle on our side, they don't have to worry much). They are willing to die for what they believe in. That's the mentality they have. As randompvg pointed out earlier, he's a martyr now. They'll see bin Laden and want to be like him, to die for his cause.
That's why they blow themselves up. Because that's how devoted they are to what they believe in.
It's like the Vietnam War, really. Ho Chi Min said to the Americans that even though they only killed 1 American soldier for every 9 Vietnamese soldier the Americans killed, they would still win because
they were devoted to their cause. And they won.
