Author Topic: Kumoricon...in Washington? (Read 30132 times)

guspasho · « **Reply #50 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:02:51 am »

Quote from: "Radien"

I agree with the amusing suggestion that this is a "magical journey" to Washington from which we will soon return. And technically, we ARE still "Oregon's only" anime convention. What we are NOT, as of this year, is an "Oregon-only" anime convention.

Quote from: "guspasho"
Don't expect everyone to honor the tax-free status. It's an optional benefit that some businesses offer but, AFAIK, aren't required to.

Now, this is technically a rumor, but what I heard was that Washington businesses are required by law to refund sales tax to Oregonians, BUT many employees are ignorant of this fact, and will refuse to believe it if you try to waltz in the door and tell them about it.

It makes sense to me: people from other states don't pay OUR sales tax when they drive through Oregon, so why should we pay theirs?...

Because Oregon doesn't have a sales tax? On the flip side of the argument, Washington residents DO pay Oregon income tax, and can't avoid paying it because they live in a state that has no income tax.

kylite · « **Reply #51 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:05:30 am »

work in washington, live in oregon.
then u dont get nailed for income tax, and u dont get nailed for sales tax

guspasho · « **Reply #52 on:** November 02, 2006, 11:07:38 am »

Quote from: "kylite"

work in washington, live in oregon.
then u dont get nailed for income tax, and u dont get nailed for sales tax

Also you get to drive the reverse commute across the I-5 bridge.

superjaz · « **Reply #53 on:** November 02, 2006, 02:16:53 pm »

my mom works in or and live in wash this bad?

spindrift · « **Reply #54 on:** November 02, 2006, 03:34:43 pm »

As a Portland girl I just want to say that I still am but I am just living in the suburb of Vancouver. I like not having to pay sales tax because I still have my Oregon DL because it has my parents address. So I always get to cheat the system.

I love the idea that if took SR 14 doing about 150mph and turn at the exact moment I would fly off the ramp and hit the convention center dead on. Note on the Dead part though :-P It looks pretty and I am eager to go explore the inside because I been past the building a great deal. I reconized the building from the pictures that Sean took but I didn't say anything and I am glad I was correct.

Radien · « **Reply #55 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:08:11 pm »

Quote from: "guspasho"

Quote from: "Radien"
It makes sense to me: people from other states don't pay OUR sales tax when they drive through Oregon, so why should we pay theirs?...

Because Oregon doesn't have a sales tax? On the flip side of the argument, Washington residents DO pay Oregon income tax, and can't avoid paying it because they live in a state that has no income tax.

Seeing as I live in Oregon, yes, I know we don't have sales tax. Perhaps I could have worded it better: "people from other states don't pay sales tax in Oregon."

The lack of a sales tax doesn't mean less tax overall; it means Oregon makes up for it by having more tax in other ways. That means that Oregon residents are footing the bill for services given indiscriminately to all travelers (roads, rest stops, etc.) It's just a broad estimation of where funds end up going, but I think it makes sense.

I'm not sure what you mean about Washington income tax. I've never been in a situation where I had to pay income tax outside of Oregon.

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #56 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:20:34 pm »

Gus, keep the political dicussion out of here.

I'm glad that everyone is warming up to the idea. The November meeting will be at the hotel, so everyone can get a good look.

That's something I forgot to post - the halls are really wide, so we won't have to yell at people to stop blocking them, unless they make a valliant effort to block them.

Vondan · « **Reply #57 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:35:39 pm »

Will we get any idea of what rooms will be used for what at this time other then the obvious like the main performance hall. The earlier we know the more time to work on Signage and Mapage. And as I had an idea that more of the rooms should have there own volunteer staff like Fan Fic and PC game rooms do the room team member can get an idea of what there set up will be but that can wait till the weeks before when we should take another tour of the hotel

EcchiSpice · « **Reply #58 on:** November 02, 2006, 10:43:20 pm »

We already have some ideas. As we expand the programming, things may move areound a bit. Plus, we're at a loss as to what to do with the board room. (aka Meg's Power Trip of Doom Expression of Zeal Room) The best plan I've come up with so far is to take pictures of my bobble head Jack- in - the Box CEO at the table. Or to COSPLAY the jitb CEO, and sit in the room giving out random, nonsensical orders.

We'll have a better idea as we approach the con.

Some signage can be started now. Generic signs for thing we know we'll have can be worked up at any time. (Main Events, This Way to Fan Fic, Vendors Hall, etc.)

spindrift · « **Reply #59 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:16:09 am »

We could use the board room for Gothic Lolita Tea Parties and it would be idea for some panels I know.

I know that we don't have the budget for Hospitality but maybe do a potluck room with it and invite Taco Con to have their little event there too.

Also I was thinking what about Volunteer HQ? We could do training in that room for Volunteers that want to help out and need to know what to do to be effective.

Just some ideas.... I am sure it will get used well.

kylite · « **Reply #60 on:** November 03, 2006, 01:21:33 am »

personally I vote boardroom as the lan party. fire code does not go above 15 in that room at max. its the smallest space so its perfect for it. but thats just my 2 cents.

Neko_Chan · « **Reply #61 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:42:11 am »

I don't think that the Gothic Lolita events would fit in a room that has max cap. of 15. I vote Lan party aswell.

guspasho · « **Reply #62 on:** November 03, 2006, 11:05:52 am »

Quote from: "Radien"

Seeing as I live in Oregon, yes, I know we don't have sales tax. Perhaps I could have worded it better: "people from other states don't pay sales tax in Oregon."

The lack of a sales tax doesn't mean less tax overall; it means Oregon makes up for it by having more tax in other ways. That means that Oregon residents are footing the bill for services given indiscriminately to all travelers (roads, rest stops, etc.) It's just a broad estimation of where funds end up going, but I think it makes sense.

I'm not sure what you mean about Washington income tax. I've never been in a situation where I had to pay income tax outside of Oregon.

In the same way that Oregon has no sales tax, Washington has no income tax. Washington residents that work in Washington don't pay income tax to the state, only the federal government.

However, Oregon gets you both ways. If you are a Washington resident who works in Oregon or an Oregon resident who works in Washington, Oregon makes you pay their income tax.

Kylite is incorrect, you get nailed for income tax either way. Only if you neither live or work in Oregon do you escape Oregon income tax.

Oh yes, and Meg only knows me too well. I have a rule against political discussions here, because they are so divisive and irrelevant to Kumoricon. So I'm trying to keep all my statements to matters of fact. I've been a cross-border resident between Oregon and Washington for some time so I'm trying to explain what I know about how things work as a cross-border resident. Matters of opinion such as about the value of taxes, which system is better, or whatever, are political discussions and should be avoided at all costs. Thanks.

guspasho · « **Reply #63 on:** November 03, 2006, 12:05:52 pm »

Here we go. It appears the rumor you mentioned is not true, businesses are not required to offer exemptions to out-of-staters, only permitted to do so with certain requirements. And of course, the law is very complex.

http://dor.wa.gov/content/home/qa/tax_QA_RST.aspx

The answer to the question "Should I collect sales tax from all nonresidents?" implies that businesses are not required by law to offer any exemptions to out-of-staters.

There is a PDF referenced that specifically states it.

http://dor.wa.gov/docs/rules/eta/2014.pdf

"The statute specifically provides that sellers are not required to make tax-exempt sales to nonresidents. However, sellers who choose to make tax-exempt sales must meet the requirements provided below under "Instructions to Sellers."

So hopefully that clears that up, and there aren't any problems with snarky otaku demanding their eight cents back on whatever. Not you, Radien, I know you aren't snarky, but put 3000 otaku together and you're bound to find someone.

I grew up in Washington and since moving to Oregon never saw a problem with paying the tax myself. However, it will probably be worth bringing up to the exhibitors to request they offer exemptions to Oregonian attendees. I'll mention it to our Relations Director.

Prince Nori · « **Reply #64 on:** November 03, 2006, 12:28:32 pm »

I love wide halls

superjaz · « **Reply #65 on:** November 03, 2006, 03:34:20 pm »

me too and anime convetions

Prince Nori · « **Reply #66 on:** November 03, 2006, 05:11:22 pm »

me too and cosplayers[good ones]

corpsic beauty · « **Reply #67 on:** November 03, 2006, 06:39:14 pm »

well i love them all!

Washougal_Otaku · « **Reply #68 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:06:27 pm »

I'm happy about this decision.

Normally, people have no problem saying the "Portland/Vancouver" metro area. IN fact, my school's newspaper just had an opinion piece about Vancouver being the armpit of Portland, since Clark COunty has to rely on Portland for things to do, (which I disagree with).

If the two are one in the same, then the con being in Vancouver is NOT that big of an idea.

YIPPY! for the people who chose this.

pinkrandomattack · « **Reply #69 on:** November 03, 2006, 07:18:01 pm »

yeah, its a little wierd. i heard a while ago that this was a possiblity. not a big deal for me since im in portland and i drive in. but i would personally like to see it come back to portland after 2007 if at all possible. or at least the "portland metro area" proper.

MistressLegato · « **Reply #70 on:** November 03, 2006, 08:57:20 pm »

Quote from: "Washougal_Otaku"

I'm happy about this decision.

Normally, people have no problem saying the "Portland/Vancouver" metro area. IN fact, my school's newspaper just had an opinion piece about Vancouver being the armpit of Portland, since Clark COunty has to rely on Portland for things to do, (which I disagree with).

If the two are one in the same, then the con being in Vancouver is NOT that big of an idea.

YIPPY! for the people who chose this.

*pinch* ARMPIT?!?! Ya know, Washougal used to [insert your favorite untrue non sequiter here]

XD

Oh, is the Vancouver con. center gonna let us use our Yojimbo as security?

Edited by Guspasho: let's just not go there. Thanks.

guspasho · « **Reply #71 on:** November 03, 2006, 09:15:38 pm »

Quote from: "pinkrandomattack"

yeah, its a little wierd. i heard a while ago that this was a possiblity. not a big deal for me since im in portland and i drive in. but i would personally like to see it come back to portland after 2007 if at all possible. or at least the "portland metro area" proper.

I'd argue we're still in the "Portland metro area proper"

Quote from: "MistressLegato"

Oh, is the Vancouver con. center gonna let us use our Yojimbo as security?

Yes, they will.

pinkrandomattack · « **Reply #72 on:** November 03, 2006, 10:41:44 pm »

i dunno im a portland girl born and raised, real portland, not beaverton or aloha or grsham or any of that. i loves it and i get confused when people who live portland agacent think they live in portland, like when my friend told her mom on the phone "im downtown at lilis house" when i live in south east. very much so not downtown, just not suburbia.

and vancouver isent in pdx as its in washington, even though alot of the teachers where i went to highschool lived in vancouver.

im just a little portland elitist.

but i would at least like to see it back in oregon.

valliegirl · « **Reply #73 on:** November 05, 2006, 10:20:52 am »

Just to say it... I grew up in Michigan and had to deal with a 6.5 percent sales tax for most of my life. Yeah, it adds up, but if you have to pay sales tax for a weekend, it's not going to be a horrible inconvenience, just possibly a little confusing.

For every dollar you spend, they'll ask 6 extra cents from you, or for every two dollars 13 cents.

You just have to keep in mind that whatever the tag price is, you may need to pay a few cents or dollars more, depending on the price of your item.

Antares · « **Reply #74 on:** November 05, 2006, 12:30:35 pm »

I am excited -- change is hard but usually good.
And I am extremely excited to see Street Team expand! I think it will be easier to convince WA shops to donate and will grow the number of places we get swag and auction donations.

BTW -- Although I am not officially 2007 Street Team leader, I have started a thread under GET INVOLVED

Here is a link:
http://www.kumoricon.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=63926#63926

Radien · « **Reply #75 on:** November 06, 2006, 05:48:07 am »

Quote from: "guspasho"

Here we go. It appears the rumor you mentioned is not true, businesses are not required to offer exemptions to out-of-staters, only permitted to do so with certain requirements. And of course, the law is very complex.

Ahaa... okay, I'm glad I specifically qualified it as a rumor, then. Few people look up laws themselves, so it's pretty easy to get misinformation through word-of-mouth.

The way that law works reminds me of can deposits. Stores used to accept can returns of all types, but now that automatic can-counters are commonplace, they generally refuse to accept brands that they don't carry.

Quote from: "guspasho"

So hopefully that clears that up, and there aren't any problems with snarky otaku demanding their eight cents back on whatever. Not you, Radien, I know you aren't snarky, but put 3000 otaku together and you're bound to find someone.

Snarky? Well... not usually. ^_^; I try to be courteous to businesses, since they usually mean no harm.
(Not to mention I sometimes read Customers Suck)

Quote from: "guspasho"

I grew up in Washington and since moving to Oregon never saw a problem with paying the tax myself. However, it will probably be worth bringing up to the exhibitors to request they offer exemptions to Oregonian attendees. I'll mention it to our Relations Director.

That's a great idea.

It would allow them to drop their price by several cents on the dollar without losing any profits. For some vendors it might not be worth the extra paperwork, but others might find it worthwhile. Shoppers tend to leave happy when they get back more change than they expected, even if it's just a few cents.

Washougal_Otaku · « **Reply #76 on:** November 06, 2006, 10:11:11 am »

Quote from: "valliegirl"

Just to say it... I grew up in Michigan and had to deal with a 6.5 percent sales tax for most of my life. Yeah, it adds up, but if you have to pay sales tax for a weekend, it's not going to be a horrible inconvenience, just possibly a little confusing.

For every dollar you spend, they'll ask 6 extra cents from you, or for every two dollars 13 cents.

Is that the amount based off of your area of Michigan? Because that's not what it is here in Vancouver. Here, it's 8.1%. In Washougal it's 8.3%.

valliegirl · « **Reply #77 on:** November 07, 2006, 11:54:29 am »

Quote from: "Washougal_Otaku"

Is that the amount based off of your area of Michigan? Because that's not what it is here in Vancouver. Here, it's 8.1%. In Washougal it's 8.3%.

My bad. I tried looking it up on a website, and I thought it said 6.5% in Vancouver.

Michigan was 6%.

Still if you look at 8.something, that's still not bad. That's still about 8 cents to the dollar.

Either way, I still stand by my original statement of sales tax isn't the death of society.

And you shouldn't be afraid to pump your own gas either.

guspasho · « **Reply #78 on:** November 07, 2006, 12:11:44 pm »

Washington state sales tax is 6.5%. Localities have their own they may add on top of that, hence the confusion, and the difference between Vancouver and Washougal, for example.

modab · « **Reply #79 on:** November 08, 2006, 04:27:20 pm »

Please realize that the first Kumoricon was held in Eugene, since all the founders of Kumoricon lived there! We realized that Eugene didn't have adequate convention space, and we graciously moved the whole thing up to Portland. Please consider that it takes us 4 hours to drive up there and back just to attend a meeting. And the wonderful people from Seattle who help us out have to drive 6 hours!
So, you want to play at how horrible it is to move 3 miles north? Hah.
Frankly, even if there *were* available convention space in "Portland Proper" I would still say that we should hold it at the Hilton, just because the space is nice and new.
It is still in the Oregon region, and that's the only thing that really matters :-)

superjaz · « **Reply #80 on:** November 08, 2006, 04:32:21 pm »

i speak for my self as long as there is a kumoricon (and i have a way of getting there <3 kendo boyfriend/bus/family) it could be in new hamchire for all i care as long as there is a kumoricon!
that is if i belived new hapchire existed...or misourie for that matter

Radien · « **Reply #81 on:** November 10, 2006, 04:48:10 am »

Quote from: "modab"

Please realize that the first Kumoricon was held in Eugene, since all the founders of Kumoricon lived there! We realized that Eugene didn't have adequate convention space, and we graciously moved the whole thing up to Portland. Please consider that it takes us 4 hours to drive up there and back just to attend a meeting. And the wonderful people from Seattle who help us out have to drive 6 hours!
So, you want to play at how horrible it is to move 3 miles north? Hah.
Frankly, even if there *were* available convention space in "Portland Proper" I would still say that we should hold it at the Hilton, just because the space is nice and new.
It is still in the Oregon region, and that's the only thing that really matters :-)

Dang, you make a good point there, Modab. Geez, and I'm from the Eugene/Springfield area, myself. It sure was nice the first year, when I could get out of bed, get into my car, drive ten minutes, and be right there (with plenty of free parking).

Portland is still nice, for me, because I go to Sakura Con every year even though it's a 6-freaking-hour drive.

And while we're discussing about trivial technicalities... I am still mildly amused by the fact that the first Kumori Con was actually held in Springfield, not Eugene.

The Gateway area is well over the dividing line between the two cities. The T-shirts said "Eugene, 2003" only because most of the staff was from Eugene, or attended the University of Oregon (like me).

Totally true, but like this move to a new venue, it's not really that important.

Disco Pete · « **Reply #82 on:** November 10, 2006, 08:55:42 pm »

I would like to welcome all you Oregonites to our state. Don't forget to sign the guest book.

We need a state guest book.

And a big welcome mat in the middle of I-5.

Ooh, I'm so excited! I'm gonna save 2 minutes drive time! Whee~!

Honestly, from where I live Vancouver is just Portland that overflowed across the river. Except I get to pump my own gas. Which is important, since gas-pumping is such an important activity among anime fans. Up there with Cosplay and watching AMVs.

Quote from: "valliegirl"

And you shouldn't be afraid to pump your own gas either.

Maybe there should be a panel on Sat. about gas-pumping techniques. :wink:

Sales tax? Yeah, it sucks. I'm stuck with it 365 days a year. One weekend won't hurt... bad

Radien · « **Reply #83 on:** November 11, 2006, 05:24:40 am »

Quote from: "Disco Pete"

Honestly, from where I live Vancouver is just Portland that overflowed across the river. Except I get to pump my own gas. Which is important, since gas-pumping is such an important activity among anime fans. Up there with Cosplay and watching AMVs.

I like having someone else to pump my gas. Why? Best answer: check out a weather site and see what kind of weather we're having down here in Eugene this week.

Funny how much has changed since the full-service stations of the 1950s...

Waffles · « **Reply #84 on:** November 12, 2006, 01:21:08 am »

(off topic) I used to pump gas it sucked as a job.

and honestly how much are you gonna be driving while at kcon, if your that worried go down to portland for gas or have me come along and I shall pump the gasoline.

superjaz · « **Reply #85 on:** November 12, 2006, 09:31:44 am »

call me old fashioned but pumping gas is kendo boyfriends job

TomtheFanboy · « **Reply #86 on:** November 12, 2006, 05:09:08 pm »

Yes!
I wake up from my hibernation to write up my Pocky Club Newsletter finally and this is the most active place on the forums!

I'm so proud!

Fie I say!
America for Americans!
*snicker*

I totally need a big blue top hat for the convention.

Lin · « **Reply #87 on:** November 12, 2006, 08:52:33 pm »

Yay! I am looking forward to Kumo at the Hilton! Plus if we have to ride in on the bus again we won't have to walk 6 blocks again!

snakeling · « **Reply #88 on:** November 15, 2006, 11:13:16 am »

Quote from: "Disco Pete"

I would like to welcome all you Oregonites to our state. Don't forget to sign the guest book.

We need a state guest book.

And a big welcome mat in the middle of I-5.

bad

You folks got rid of your welcome mat. It used to proudly read "Eat Now at Waddles" I'm still trying to work out my theory that all Washingtonians are part of the mysterious and secretive Waddles collective. But the Waddles sign was too close to the truth so it was changed to Hooters. But still... a bird eatery.

HaSanGo · « **Reply #89 on:** November 21, 2006, 07:20:46 am »

I have my own opinions on the whole con being in Vancouver thing but there is no point talking about them, since it doesn't matter. The decision has been made, there won't be any changing it. There is definitely a difference though in persona's and attitudes of those that attend Kumoricon and Sakuracon than those that attend Game, Sci-Fi and other larger anime cons though. Not necessarily a bad thing... but it is definitely different when looking at it from a professional con-goer experience.

Quote from: "guspasho"

Here we go. It appears the rumor you mentioned is not true, businesses are not required to offer exemptions to out-of-staters, only permitted to do so with certain requirements. And of course, the law is very complex.

Just to be a bit more specific about the law, it really isn't that complex really. The exemption is limited to purchases of items that are taken and used out of the state. Purchases of meals, hotel rooms, laundry services or other services or products the nonresident uses while in Washington do not qualify for the exemption.

In short meals, food, hotel rooms, services, etc do are not required to give you an exemption. You can still ask if they honor them, some businesses do for hopes of repeat business. Of course places like McD's, BK, Taco Bell, etc usually won't though.

If you are purchasing clothes, dvds, electroncics, actual physical items then they are required to give you the exemption.

Please remember though they will require a proof of Oregon residence and it usually has to be a Oregon Drivers License or State Issued ID. A school ID, passport, even a letter with your address would not count as valid proof of residence.

guspasho · « **Reply #90 on:** November 21, 2006, 08:18:57 pm »

Quote from: "HaSanGo"

If you are purchasing clothes, dvds, electroncics, actual physical items then they are required to give you the exemption.

No, you did not read what I wrote. Washington businesses are not required to give any tax exemptions to Oregonians. They are permitted to, but not required. Please read my earlier post carefully, because I don't want there to be any confusion and any poor representation of the con because of it.

guenthar · « **Reply #91 on:** November 21, 2006, 09:07:25 pm »

I was so happy to find out that I would beable to go to Kcon this year that I went to the meeting and volunteered to be a staff member. If it wasn't in Vancouver I wouldn't have been able to go since I can't afford to get a hotel room and my moped can't go on freeways.

PS. Sales tax isn't that bad on inexpensive things and doesn't bother me unless it is something expensive. (I buy those things online instead)

HaSanGo · « **Reply #92 on:** November 22, 2006, 06:28:33 pm »

Quote from: "guspasho"

No, you did not read what I wrote. Washington businesses are not required to give any tax exemptions to Oregonians. They are permitted to, but not required. Please read my earlier post carefully, because I don't want there to be any confusion and any poor representation of the con because of it.

That is my fault. I cut and pasted a couple responses together and forgot a paragraph. It should of read as the following, the required part referring to the first part of the places that do honor the exemption:

Quote from: "HaSanGo"

There aren't many businesses that will not honor the exemption on the Washington/Vancouver border mainly because they want people to come back. They are in close proximity to each other and many customers of businesses will make the trip to Oregon just to escape tax. So to ensure return and good business most major businesses honor the exemption. When you get further up north into Seattle that is a bit different. It never hurts to ask.

Just to be a bit more specific about the law, it really isn't that complex really. The exemption is limited to purchases of items that are taken and used out of the state. Purchases of meals, hotel rooms, laundry services or other services or products the nonresident uses while in Washington do not qualify for the exemption.

In short meals, food, hotel rooms, services, etc do are not required to give you an exemption. You can still ask if they honor them, some businesses do for hopes of repeat business. Of course places like McD's, BK, Taco Bell, etc usually won't though.

If you are purchasing clothes, dvds, electroncics, actual physical items then they are required to give you the exemption.

Please remember though they will require a proof of Oregon residence and it usually has to be a Oregon Drivers License or State Issued ID. A school ID, passport, even a letter with your address would not count as valid proof of residence.

guspasho · « **Reply #93 on:** November 22, 2006, 09:55:34 pm »

Ah, thanks for the clarification on that. That reads much differently now.

Radien · « **Reply #94 on:** November 25, 2006, 06:15:13 pm »

HaSanGo:

Thanks; your explanation makes it very clear about when I should actually ask about exemption.

However, I'm confused about why you used this wording:

"If you are purchasing clothes, dvds, electroncics, actual physical items then they are required to give you the exemption."

Isn't the consensus that they are never required to give you the exemption?...

Ah well... I will ask about it at times, and if they say "no," then that's that.

HaSanGo · « **Reply #95 on:** December 06, 2006, 12:08:04 pm »

Quote from: "Radien"

HaSanGo:

Thanks; your explanation makes it very clear about when I should actually ask about exemption.

However, I'm confused about why you used this wording:

"If you are purchasing clothes, dvds, electroncics, actual physical items then they are required to give you the exemption."

Isn't the consensus that they are never required to give you the exemption?...

Ah well... I will ask about it at times, and if they say "no," then that's that.

Depending on where you go there will be places that say they do honor the exemption... but will then go and say, "Oh that can't be used on that item or we'll honor it for these but not those". Essentially they say yes they do honor, because some people will just leave if they don't to find a place that does (usually not that hard to find) then when you try to use it, claim that certain items are ineligible.

So basically if they say they do honor it, then they have to give you the excemption on the items like clothes, dvd, electronics... physical items being taken out of the state. Most things like consumables however they are not required too.

That particular quote isn't meant to be quoted out of context, it is used in conjunction with the whole post, the first paragraph... "If" they say yes "then they are required too" on X items or "not required" on Y items.

Does that make better sense?

kylite · « **Reply #96 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:43:31 pm »

Minor word of caution: DO NOT touch the red wall with the pictures on it. it IS alarmed and will make the big mean men come running.

*grins*

SOMEONE had to warn them!

spindrift · « **Reply #97 on:** December 07, 2006, 06:29:56 pm »

Quote from: "kylite"

Minor word of caution: DO NOT touch the red wall with the pictures on it. it IS alarmed and will make the big mean men come running.

*grins*

SOMEONE had to warn them!

oh good so not you.

superjaz · « **Reply #98 on:** December 07, 2006, 06:53:02 pm »

and if a sign says "wet paint don't touch"
dont X(

valliegirl · « **Reply #99 on:** December 08, 2006, 10:52:45 am »

Quote from: "superjaz3p"

and if a sign says "wet paint don't touch"
dont X(

well that just goes without saying anywhere! ^_^

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Author Topic: Kumoricon...in Washington? (Read 30132 times)